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infii wrote:

elkain25 wrote:It really doesnt matter which realm either we or anyone else will play.
I'm 100% against any Custom Changes that can destroy gameplay.
I'm just advising a little quality of life changes which will not touch balance and that will make everyone happy and play longer.

You are wrong.
No matter how tiny the change, you WILL get someone upset!
The problem is: where do you draw the line? How do you define what is a minor change that won't destroy gameplay and what is not? And how do others define that? I'm 100% sure you can't get everyone to agree to a specific custom change.

Potions with 9 charges are no big deal you say? So why not have horse routes to emain for hibs because they have to waste so much time running to emain and it's just a nuisance and not relevant for gameplay... It takes AGES to level to 50 on a classic setting, lets increase xp rates for everyone since it doesn't affect RvR at all and just makes everyones lifes easier... And then lets have instant ports to emain so we don't have to wait so long on the plate. Again, not relevant for gameplay, but still it changes a lot about the overall gameplay experience.
That is exactly the reason why a definitive patch level and a strict enforcement is so important.

So for the love of god, please, just shut up and stop asking for custom changes. (Not just referring to you)
If it really is so devastating, just suck it up like a man or go play somewhere else!

I have to disagree with your point.
Having horse route to emain is not something default because emain is not a default rvr arena, it is default made by the people(us) where we do like rvr.
In your case then u need to make horse routes in albion and midgard places too. But it makes no point.
Exp it takes ages or not is not a matter and i have no problem with it, neither anyone has that problem either. Actually i even do like that it takes longer time to get to 50.
And making porting insta is not a quality of life change but actually balance change. Just because the same amount of time it is needed of albion and midgard to port to emain mostly it takes same time for hibs to get to emain.
And here is your balance change , because porting instantly to emain will make it overcrowded and tho even more zergy.

If some of u do remember when daoc was in beta phase i guess it was something around 1.12 phase, arrows had only 5 arrow of stack, so u had to refresh your arrows every hour in order to xp or rvr. Later it got changed to proper amount of stack, because it was just quality of life change not a balance change.

If somebody here or you even think that keeping 1 charge on potion will make elite albion setup force to take paladin into group just because they have no other option and it will change balance by that, u r wrong, ppl still wont take paladins into the group for many reasons, ( it was talked already i dont want to open another mouth on it ). Everyone will still use potions. And honestly thats not even for albion only, its for hibs and mids too. All proper setups has end potions just because your bard can be dead or mezzed or shaman is dead or mezzed or just you r too far away. Everyone is still having potions but refilling them in your inventory every 30 minutes making it less appealing later and later at some point where people just get ****** off by it.
Would archers love arrows of stack of 1 arrow or 5 it patch 1.65 had it ? Obviously not.

Anyway im not insisting on it. I said my point and GM's said that they know about it and taking it to account and consider. Thats it. Will it be there or not is only GM's decision. Thanks.

I'm just here to play along with the joke for another year or two.

Wait, I'm not really playing along. If I were really playing along I might try and make suggestions so that when the vaporware server came up we would have some small input into the rules or the way things worked.

Nope, not doing it.

yop relvinian, long time no see.

how is life treating you? any fresh ideas?

Trishin wrote:No one should be kept from creating or playing from an account just because you share IP. However as some have already said, if you look like you could be one person, we might check up on you to make sure that you are more than one person. And therefore we suggest that long periods of AFK in lan parties etc, is kept to a minimum as that could make it hard for us to see that you are in fact multiple people.

Thank you! Ill try keep in mind reminding people to log out on afks as we take breaks

norlin wrote:Just my fiffy cent on the pots... I agree 100% that no custom changes should occur, but very small quality of life changes are ok :- ) Playing hib btw. not alb.

+1
Ease the suffering, for the greater good. The 10-15 "elitists" will play no matter how angry they get or how much flame they spew. They will always be here. But the other 99% of the player base (I hope 500-600 at least) is what should be catered to. not the 1% that thinks they are the top.

some people just seem to like trolling for the fun of it but I guess most in this discussion around custom changes are genuinely concerned

as it was stated already, a custom change to cater for a certain perceived disadvantage on one side, might have an effect on other areas which would lead to other 'balancing' custom changes
imo that happened when Mythic started listening to players more and more, they had to constantly run new changes to keep a certain group happy only to discover that another group was now unhappy and cried for a change ... then EA came in and it got even worse, ending up in ToA and why most players left DAoC live

I can understand that most people see things out of their perspective/playstile but to make it work for all there need to be compromises
and that balance of compromises can only be controlled by someone outside the 'normal' player population to remove that realm/class/race tunnelvision and I think Uthgard staff are trying to do exactly that

DAoC is one of the very few asymmetrical MMO's out there which had any success worth mentioning, exactly this asymmetry makes it so great and but also so hard to balance
imo Mythics 'vision' of the 3 realms (Mid as strong melee, Hib as strong caster and Alb as hybrid) needs always to be considered for 'optimal' (if you are so inclined) group setups, be it PvE or RvR... the rest of us can just have fun without worrying about that too much

cheers

Njor wrote:some people just seem to like trolling for the fun of it but I guess most in this discussion around custom changes are genuinely concerned

as it was stated already, a custom change to cater for a certain perceived disadvantage on one side, might have an effect on other areas which would lead to other 'balancing' custom changes
imo that happened when Mythic started listening to players more and more, they had to constantly run new changes to keep a certain group happy only to discover that another group was now unhappy and cried for a change ... then EA came in and it got even worse, ending up in ToA and why most players left DAoC live

I can understand that most people see things out of their perspective/playstile but to make it work for all there need to be compromises
and that balance of compromises can only be controlled by someone outside the 'normal' player population to remove that realm/class/race tunnelvision and I think Uthgard staff are trying to do exactly that

DAoC is one of the very few asymmetrical MMO's out there which had any success worth mentioning, exactly this asymmetry makes it so great and but also so hard to balance
imo Mythics 'vision' of the 3 realms (Mid as strong melee, Hib as strong caster and Alb as hybrid) needs always to be considered for 'optimal' (if you are so inclined) group setups, be it PvE or RvR... the rest of us can just have fun without worrying about that too much

cheers

Man I hate it when some one makes a good point that I disagree with lol. None the less the man has a good point.

All big mmo's all went down the same path in a lot of aspects.

They key is to achieve perfect balance, while keeping the player base 100% satisfied. - It can't be done.

Edit: Seems the life of any mmo is destined to fail in a way. No matter how malleable the engine is, or customized the client gets.
Like stated earlier, some one some where will always be upset.

Love me Babby wrote:They key is to achieve perfect balance, while keeping the player base 100% satisfied. - It can't be done.

Of course it can't be done - no one is saying it is... Just because we can't please everyone doesn't mean we shouldn't try to continue making improvements. Some changes are better than others. The quality of life examples are great instances where sticking strictly to "that's how it was in 1.65" is doing more harm than good.

Njor wrote:and that balance of compromises can only be controlled by someone outside the 'normal' player population to remove that realm/class/race tunnelvision and I think Uthgard staff are trying to do exactly that

Wrong. The balance of compromises needs to be made by unbiased, knowledgeable players with experience in all 3 realms. From my understanding, the Uthgard staff doesn't know the intricacies of rvr balance issues like many of the players here do.

From what I've seen suggested in this thread, none of the discussed custom changes (pallys getting det, cure NS, endo pot timers, buff shears) would make one realm more balanced than the others... So no sort of "compensatory balancing" would be necessary. You're talking about making huge custom changes, I'm not, and I don't think 99% of the people here are either.

one point six five, baby

Outphaze wrote:...

Wrong. The balance of compromises needs to be made by unbiased, knowledgeable players with experience in all 3 realms. From my understanding, the Uthgard staff doesn't know the intricacies of rvr balance issues like many of the players here do.

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...and you see yourself as one of these "unbiased, knowledgeable players with experience in all 3 realms"?
there is probably a lot of them... oh, wait, in this discussion you might have 2 other players agreeing with you (on some points you made), so at most you would be a group of 3 "unbiased, knowledgeable players with experience in all 3 realms"?
and you want to be the one making 'compromises' for all players?

if it wasn't so sad it would be funny, just being overconfident and rude does not make you fit to decide anything for other players

cheers

Njor wrote:...and you see yourself as one of these "unbiased, knowledgeable players with experience in all 3 realms"?
there is probably a lot of them... oh, wait, in this discussion you might have 2 other players agreeing with you (on some points you made), so at most you would be a group of 3 "unbiased, knowledgeable players with experience in all 3 realms"?
and you want to be the one making 'compromises' for all players?

if it wasn't so sad it would be funny, just being overconfident and rude does not make you fit to decide anything for other players

cheers

Of course not me. I don't have the time, and I'm not near as knowledgeable as some of the other people here. The thing is you people are so convinced that if we allow 1 tiny (irrelevant) deviation from 1.65 all hell will break loose and uthgard would turn into an i50 bg TOA NF new RA server. It's laughable and wrong.

Just like you are so convinced that there will be custom changes if you just spam it often enough.

If you can't tell the difference between a quality of life adjustment and a custom balance/item change, then I don't know what to tell you. "Drawing the line" should be rather easy and obvious.

Moondragon1 wrote:If you can't tell the difference between a quality of life adjustment and a custom balance/item change, then I don't know what to tell you. "Drawing the line" should be rather easy and obvious.

Tell me one change I've suggested that would cause an imbalance. The only reason people don't want to make changes is because they'll think it will lead to more changes, which isn't necessarily true at all.