jeff_daoj wrote:Ok awesome - we almost have a core! OH WAIT ... we need some kind of speed class... hmm...

Cleric/Cleric/Friar/Paladin/Minstrel

******! We still need to have someone that can mez on inc and has root abilities..

Cleric/Cleric/Friar/Paladin/Minstrel/Sorc

Sorcerer and Theurgist both get speed, aoe mezz, root and DPS, if the only reason you would bring a minstrel is because of speed then i've saved you a slot right there.

jeff_daoj wrote:Healer/Healer/Shaman/Skald - Since mid has a plethora of charges in 1.65, one shaman will be able to cover the group's buffs sufficiently.

Few Mid groups take Skalds and as for the Shaman, ever heard of "keeping all your eggs in one basket"? It's a weakness, not a strength.

adjuchas_brokk wrote:Sorcerer and Theurgist both get speed, aoe mezz, root and DPS, if the only reason you would bring a minstrel is because of speed then i've saved you a slot right there.

I was showing the equivalent groups to mid and hib - not debating on what set-up to run. If you want full buffs and speed 6 with a mezzer, this is what you have to run on Alb.

Few Mid groups take Skalds and as for the Shaman, ever heard of "keeping all your eggs in one basket"? It's a weakness, not a strength.

You could run a second shaman and still need fewer classes then alb!

These are just opinions anyways - my guild doesnt have the resources/time to put up with the headache of running alb in its current state so we are going to roll somewhere else.

CHOOO CHOOO ALL ABOARD THE MIDGARD TRAIN BABY

I played a Paladin to 50 back on 1.0, I said I wouldn't do it again but I am a sucker for hardship. The advantage is you don't have to worry about Det as you won't get invited to any groups anyway!

PS if you take thrust to 44 you can get a 27 sec snare which comes after detaunt. It's not pretty, but it's still possilble to have an ok spec with such high points in WS on Pala. Perhaps with a fast weapon it's doable. Thrust blows a bit though for styles.

Oh god .... it's happening again.

linwig wrote:I played a Paladin to 50 back on 1.0, I said I wouldn't do it again but I am a sucker for hardship. The advantage is you don't have to worry about Det as you won't get invited to any groups anyway!

PS if you take thrust to 44 you can get a 27 sec snare which comes after detaunt. It's not pretty, but it's still possilble to have an ok spec with such high points in WS on Pala. Perhaps with a fast weapon it's doable. Thrust blows a bit though for styles.

Oh god .... it's happening again.

A thrust paladin?! What is this?!

mgX wrote:

linwig wrote:I played a Paladin to 50 back on 1.0, I said I wouldn't do it again but I am a sucker for hardship. The advantage is you don't have to worry about Det as you won't get invited to any groups anyway!

PS if you take thrust to 44 you can get a 27 sec snare which comes after detaunt. It's not pretty, but it's still possilble to have an ok spec with such high points in WS on Pala. Perhaps with a fast weapon it's doable. Thrust blows a bit though for styles.

Oh god .... it's happening again.

A thrust paladin?! What is this?!

...the stun and peel machine

cheers

pretty much the only viable snare style in albion 1h lines. spec is 42 shield 47 chants 44 thrust. best in saracen pally.

and no, the side snare from blades is not even close to compete with a 27s after anytime snare.

Yes! I can play my Druid again. You have no idea how much this arouses me.

Galandriel3 wrote:

jeff_daoj wrote:by these custom changes. No buffbots and

wha.. what are ... are you trying to communicate?

So for the people who are tired of reading about paladin/endurance problems how many of you actually plan on playing albion? Most of you imo are going hib/mid and don't really care about balance, atleast not yet. Outphazed represents the 8v8ers who would like to play their favorite realm (alb) but through common sense reasoning can't in good conscious torture themselves.

Genesis is broken in lots of ways but it gives great insight into how things will play out. They got rid of easy mode endurance regeneration and albion became a ghost town. Eventually the whole server pop dropped and they made the emergency changes you see now. Det 3 for hybrids, buff bots and less strict adherence to 1.65 patch level. That's what made people play albion again and on uthgard imo you'll see the same thing, probably even to a worse degree since you have 9 charge potions on genesis and only 1 charge pots here.

Heed our warning before necessity forces your hand.

Sol77 wrote:

mgX wrote:Also, with no buffbots, classes with selfbuffs will do better, and may even get spots in groups due to the lack of conc.

Yet no one talks about the issue of spec-buffing a mid-grp. Don't wanna open a can of worms here, but does someone know, how much a single sham can buff? Suppose not everyone gets endu?

IMO as a shammy player, not everyone needs endu, just as other classes need other specs, for instance, quick dex, dex and intelligence was what I always put up for casters, tanks came with their own set of buffs, some wanted AF some did not, all seemed to need dex quick and str. I am not sure at 1.65 if there was a group endu pulse or not, but that is what I generally ran to pick up for those I just ran out of con for.It always helps to have a healer or another shammy, but if you don't, you have to get very inventive when you hand out buffs, you learn what works for what class and what is just garnish.

isocleas2 wrote:So for the people who are tired of reading about paladin/endurance problems how many of you actually plan on playing albion? Most of you imo are going hib/mid and don't really care about balance, atleast not yet. Outphazed represents the 8v8ers who would like to play their favorite realm (alb) but through common sense reasoning can't in good conscious torture themselves.

Genesis is broken in lots of ways but it gives great insight into how things will play out. They got rid of easy mode endurance regeneration and albion became a ghost town. Eventually the whole server pop dropped and they made the emergency changes you see now. Det 3 for hybrids, buff bots and less strict adherence to 1.65 patch level. That's what made people play albion again and on uthgard imo you'll see the same thing, probably even to a worse degree since you have 9 charge potions on genesis and only 1 charge pots here.

Heed our warning before necessity forces your hand.

I've only ever played Alb from beta. Gonna roll a Fire Wiz and be forever solo.

isocleas2 wrote:So for the people who are tired of reading about paladin/endurance problems how many of you actually plan on playing albion?

I'm going Alb.
If Albion is really a ghost town (sorry but hyperbolic doomsayers predict this sort of thing for every game) the staff will most likely offer incentives to players to move to Albion that don't involve actually changing the patch level content. Example: Increase xp gain, rp gain, less transfer time, w/e.

If all that fails maybe they'll change something. Trust me, they are just as aware and concerned about the long term health of the server as we are. Probably 100x more so because they've bled to get it this far where 99.9% of us have invested nothing other than reading the forum a few times a week.

ACrispyTaco wrote:I've only ever played Alb from beta. Gonna roll a Fire Wiz and be forever solo.

Major respect if you're being serious. I plan on trying to solo on Hib just not 100% sure what class I want to play, but I'm leaning towards a sneak.

isocleas2 wrote:So for the people who are tired of reading about paladin/endurance problems how many of you actually plan on playing albion? Most of you imo are going hib/mid and don't really care about balance, atleast not yet. Outphazed represents the 8v8ers who would like to play their favorite realm (alb) but through common sense reasoning can't in good conscious torture themselves.

You don't have to want to play Alb to be concerned about Albion's RvR viability in a no-buffbot (which *is* a custom change from the real 1.65 experience), pure 1.65 setting.

If I play Uthgard it'll be on Mid since I played Hib and Alb on Genesis, but I want a viable Albion since I want 3 realm RvR, not Hib vs Mid.

JacksonTown wrote:

ACrispyTaco wrote:I've only ever played Alb from beta. Gonna roll a Fire Wiz and be forever solo.

Major respect if you're being serious. I plan on trying to solo on Hib just not 100% sure what class I want to play, but I'm leaning towards a sneak.

Nah its mostly just that not many people need Fire Wiz in their groups. I just like the class and it's unforunate it's not a useful one for most groups. If you play on Alb hit me up if you need a Wiz