Outphaze wrote:

ACrispyTaco wrote:So not only does Alb get the short end of the stick for RAs but the entire Alb community is going to be a bunch of try hard min/maxxers who refuse to group with you unless you are one of the 3 classes they deem worthy of playing.

3 classes? min/maxers? Alb has 7-8 classes that are viable for 8v8. It's not min/maxing to refuse to invite someone who doesn't bring anything to the table. Inviting a pally is like inviting a scout, inf or reaver to an 8man. Why intentionally hinder yourself?

Cleric, Merc, Sorc, Cab?, Arms? ... Minst??

If you play anything else get ready to be told "Sorry" when asking for a group, even if you have a mic and VOIP clients. 7-8 classes that are viable in 8 man lol ya maybe, but not if the people who run these 8 mans and raids have anything to say about it. Thats why people are complaining Class "X" doesn't get groups, the elitist min/maxxers are being selective and excluding people from enjoying the game they are trying to help keep alive.

Disagree with me all you want but I've seen so many people kicked/denied groups just for being "the wrong class/spec" and I've also been kicked/denied entry into groups for being the wrong class/spec, even when it's a basic XP group and group comp doesn't really matter. Albion may be behind the other 2 realms because of the patch version but the toxic elitist community inside Alb does more harm to itself by treating their realm mates this way.

I know you might not care or see it that way, but that is the harsh reality in Albion.

Juri wrote:Just leaving this here: Black Adders were the first guild to add a scout in their set group, and one of the first guilds to start using minstrels in groups successfully during uth 1.0. So no, there are no '3 classes' to pick from. You can do whatever you want if you wish to (and you apply for it).

When I make my Fire Wiz I will come apply with you and we will see how that goes.

ACrispyTaco wrote:Cleric, Merc, Sorc, Cab?, Arms? ... Minst??

If you play anything else get ready to be told "Sorry" when asking for a group, even if you have a mic and VOIP clients. 7-8 classes that are viable in 8 man lol ya maybe, but not if the people who run these 8 mans and raids have anything to say about it. Thats why people are complaining Class "X" doesn't get groups, the elitist min/maxxers are being selective and excluding people from enjoying the game they are trying to help keep alive.

Disagree with me all you want but I've seen so many people kicked/denied groups just for being "the wrong class/spec" and I've also been kicked/denied entry into groups for being the wrong class/spec, even when it's a basic XP group and group comp doesn't really matter. Albion may be behind the other 2 realms because of the patch version but the toxic elitist community inside Alb does more harm to itself by treating their realm mates this way.

I know you might not care or see it that way, but that is the harsh reality in Albion.

Alb's "toxic elitist community" acts this way because it's necessary in order to be competitive. A smite cleric isn't going to win battles. A fire wizard is useless for competitive 8v8. Same with paladin, scout, reaver, etc... Alb has to be pickier than the other realms in order to be successful. You can't blame people for getting frustrated when they lose. Anyone who actually 8v8s understands this stuff, the people that cry about pallys and fire wizzies not getting groups have no idea what 8v8 is about.

You forgot theurgs, which are awesome for 8v8. I said maybe 8 because friars might have a chance if played by the right person (aka Naynay), but there are usually better alternatives to friars.

I'd just like to say that people are most picky with the person, not so much the class/spec they play. If groups "try you out" and don't like playing with you, then you won't get an invite no matter what spec/class you are. First impression are everything.

If you're sor worried about a friar or a paladin getting a group, then why not start the group? If not, everyone has a choice of what they play and how they play and everyone realizes that 8v8 is going to be the make up of groups and if you want to play the 8v8 game, then have that desired class of toon. Not a complicated process.

ACrispyTaco wrote:

Juri wrote:Just leaving this here: Black Adders were the first guild to add a scout in their set group, and one of the first guilds to start using minstrels in groups successfully during uth 1.0. So no, there are no '3 classes' to pick from. You can do whatever you want if you wish to (and you apply for it).

When I make my Fire Wiz I will come apply with you and we will see how that goes.

I'll roll a druid so that's not going to happen. Sorry 'bout that!

On THAT OTHER SERVER they gave Paladins (among others) a custom Determination 3 and guess what? Albs still don't run Paladins.

Nezix wrote:The only thing insulting that cliff beetle and my eyes are those catacombs character models and that newer name font.

Never played live so I prefer catacombs models + new name font.

ACrispyTaco wrote:...

This is just victim speech. The fact is that there are certain chars which generally do better and so people naturally gravitate towards them.
You should focus on the variables you have power over. Skill and especially reputation connected to it is an important. Get your own people together and build your group. Don't just complain that the sky is blue.

find the second firewiz, a minstrel and a cleric and start to leech the hell out of groupfights

I guess i have a good excuse to run 2fg of albs now then

Outphaze wrote:

adjuchas_brokk wrote:What would you take instead of a Paladin?

Arms/merc

Determination is certainly something in their favour, but neither of those two have end regen, AF, heal and magic resist chants.

adjuchas_brokk wrote:

Outphaze wrote:

adjuchas_brokk wrote:What would you take instead of a Paladin?

Arms/merc

Determination is certainly something in their favour, but neither of those two have end regen, AF, heal and magic resist chants.

OK man make a pally and let me know how it goes.

Wow. I could understand the frustration of people who rolled the "wrong" class back in early 2002 and didn't get groups when class performance differences were discovered months later. But why would a sane person roll such a class now?

edit: Whatever is wrong with this bs "spam" function, I'm done trying to edit around it. None of my message was bad or non-english

All this crying about how toxic alb is... That's not alb, it's DAoC Elitism.

I've played every realm across almost every setting (RP servers, normal servers, classic servers, ywain, uthgard and genesis) and you know what? There are people like that in every realm and always have been.

From my personal experience I always found Hibernia to be the coldest and least inclusive but I'm not claiming my sample size proves anything about Hib. There are also infuriating noobs on every realm too so regardless of where you go you're gonna have to deal with both.

Outphaze wrote:OK man make a pally and let me know how it goes.

I have done, did pretty well. Suprising how effective against Mid melee groups having Paladin AF chant, Cleric spec AF and heal proc buffs and Minstrel ablative health song can be... all things unique to Albion.

adjuchas_brokk wrote:

Outphaze wrote:OK man make a pally and let me know how it goes.

I have done, did pretty well. Suprising how effective against Mid melee groups having Paladin AF chant, Cleric spec AF and heal proc buffs and Minstrel ablative health song can be... all things unique to Albion.

Cleric spec AF do not stack with paladin AF chant