There should be 9 charges pots. Its a pain have to buy pots every 20 mins. You should think about soloers and stealthers too. You prefer players crafting all the time instead do rvr??? Pots with 9 charges will not change rvr, but will make it more comfortable, and will bring more players to rvr.

vangonaj wrote:There should be 9 charges pots. Its a pain have to buy pots every 20 mins. You should think about soloers and stealthers too.Or you only want zerg and 8vs8 server? Or you prefer players crafting all the time instead do rvr???

any change leading to certain classes not being played/invited to groups is bad imho... soloing and stealthing should be very hard indeed, it is not the focus of the game

cheers

Njor wrote:

vangonaj wrote:There should be 9 charges pots. Its a pain have to buy pots every 20 mins. You should think about soloers and stealthers too.Or you only want zerg and 8vs8 server? Or you prefer players crafting all the time instead do rvr???

any change leading to certain classes not being played/invited to groups is bad imho... soloing and stealthing should be very hard indeed, it is not the focus of the game

cheers

Are you taalking aboout paladins? Instead have 8x9 charges in inventory, they could go with 32x1 charges. 32 endo charges are 64 mins endurance. You still can kick paladin from group.

About soloers and stealthers now should be a focus of the game. There arent so much players to not consider some of them for server population. If Uth Gms want good server population, they should focus on zerg, 8vs8, smalmans and soloers.
And going to buy pots every 20 mins, dont make it very hard for soloer. It makes this borring. And when the player is bored, he will log.

Njor wrote:all that whining about pots and how horrible that will be, reminds of the vnboards at their worst, hehehe

that whole line of argument:
"class x does not have RA y > therefore we can't take that class in RvR > therefore we need a certain custom change"
is so elitist and shortsighted ... very sad
...and is exactly what happened to DAoC live, devs listened to this nonsense and messed up the whole game over time

the idea that certain classes are not being played/invited to RvR groups because of very particular mechanics is bad and only promoted by a certain (very vocal) subsection of the playerbase...

I salute the Uthgard staff for staying with their decisions

cheers

edit: typo

It's not shortsighted, it's realistic.

You want there to be relatively equal spread of players throughout all 3 realms. You don't want a lack of 8v8 players, casuals, or zergy-raiders on any realm, since they all influence each other.

What's going to happen is no good 8mans are going to be on alb. This won't bother your typical casual player who plays a pally in full epic until they realize that:
- they don't have any chance of being successful on large scale rvr / zergs because all the hardcore 8man are on hib/mid, yeah 8mans play a crucial role in raiding.
- keep taking becomes a challenge because they'll get farmed by elitist hib/mid 8mans
- they realize there's no good alb 8mans out to help them kill the roaming 8mans

It's sad because we all know how important first impressions are on servers and Genesis has already made all the same mistakes that Uthgard is about to make. The same people fighting to keep it strictly 1.65 are going to be crying 6 months into the server when hib/mid dominates all the relics, and comprise 99% of the high RR players, while alb struggles to get players past rank 5. They're going to be farmed non-stop 24/7.

Njor wrote:

vangonaj wrote:There should be 9 charges pots. Its a pain have to buy pots every 20 mins. You should think about soloers and stealthers too.Or you only want zerg and 8vs8 server? Or you prefer players crafting all the time instead do rvr???

any change leading to certain classes not being played/invited to groups is bad imho... soloing and stealthing should be very hard indeed, it is not the focus of the game

cheers

Changing endo pots to 2 minutes won't result in more paladins getting competitive RVR groups. Without det, paladins will 100% only be invited to keep-take groups, PVE or horrible pugs.

Outphaze wrote:

Njor wrote:

vangonaj wrote:There should be 9 charges pots. Its a pain have to buy pots every 20 mins. You should think about soloers and stealthers too.Or you only want zerg and 8vs8 server? Or you prefer players crafting all the time instead do rvr???

any change leading to certain classes not being played/invited to groups is bad imho... soloing and stealthing should be very hard indeed, it is not the focus of the game

cheers

Changing endo pots to 2 minutes won't result in more paladins getting competitive RVR groups. Without det, paladins will 100% only be invited to keep-take groups, PVE or horrible pugs.

Exactly.

Outphaze wrote:

Njor wrote:

vangonaj wrote:There should be 9 charges pots. Its a pain have to buy pots every 20 mins. You should think about soloers and stealthers too.Or you only want zerg and 8vs8 server? Or you prefer players crafting all the time instead do rvr???

any change leading to certain classes not being played/invited to groups is bad imho... soloing and stealthing should be very hard indeed, it is not the focus of the game

cheers

Changing endo pots to 2 minutes won't result in more paladins getting competitive RVR groups. Without det, paladins will 100% only be invited to keep-take groups, PVE or horrible pugs.

hence why i wrote what i wrote on the last page

Mauriac wrote:hence why i wrote what i wrote on the last page

Honestly, I don't understand why so many people are against giving paladins det.
a) It wouldn't make things unbalanced. Alb is the only realm that can't fit its endo class into an optimal 8man.
b) Paladins do less damage than mercs or arms, so giving them det isn't really giving alb an unfair advantage at all.
c) You wouldn't need to give other classes det to make up for giving pallys det. Reavers, thanes and VWs should all NOT have det.

It was an oversight by mythic to exclude pallys from having det. The only reason Uth has a problem to withhold doling out custom changes, is "because that's not 1.65" which as we can almost all agree is a pretty lousy excuse.

ONLY PALIDANE SHOULD HAVE DET!!!!1111 NO SKALD NO REAVER JUST MY PALYDANE!!!

I am not against giving paladin Det. I would welcome it with open arms if it comes, but it was decided by higher powers to stay with 1.65 patch level and we will have to live with it.

By proposing to give Det to paladins only you are opening the whole new argument for Reavers, Wardens, Champs to request same treatment.

shurick wrote:I am not against giving paladin Det. I would welcome it with open arms if it comes, but it was decided by higher powers to stay with 1.65 patch level and we will have to live with it.

By proposing to give Det to paladins only you are opening the whole new argument for Reavers, Wardens, Champs to request same treatment.

Wardens, reavers and champs aren't essential rvr classes. A warden isn't even a tank, so why would they get det? The only other class you could possibly make a case for is skalds, which are also pretty ****** in old RAs. Luckily though mid plays almost exclusively tank push setups so it's much easier for a skald to fit in successfully than a paladin. Plus, speed isn't near as important mid-fight as endo is.

Outphaze wrote:

Mauriac wrote:hence why i wrote what i wrote on the last page

Honestly, I don't understand why so many people are against giving paladins det.
a) It wouldn't make things unbalanced. Alb is the only realm that can't fit its endo class into an optimal 8man.
b) Paladins do less damage than mercs or arms, so giving them det isn't really giving alb an unfair advantage at all.
c) You wouldn't need to give other classes det to make up for giving pallys det. Reavers, thanes and VWs should all NOT have det.

It was an oversight by mythic to exclude pallys from having det. The only reason Uth has a problem to withhold doling out custom changes, is "because that's not 1.65" which as we can almost all agree is a pretty lousy excuse.

Beyond what every said about all the other hybrids asking for it in other realms, what about armsmen? Removing det from paladins is their only chance to get into 8v8 action.

Honestly, sometimes people are such drama queens about balance. You aren't going to fix everything with just one change. There is a concept of perfect imbalance, and it will not always seem fair, but it's way better than you imagine it. The biggest disadvantage Albion has is that all their best abilities are so spread out that you need the strictest setup of all the classes to get every last buff/debuff etc. You can't just fix that by one little change; you'd have to completely overhaul who provides which buffs to cut it down to like 4-5 classes like it is on hib/mid.

Honestly, it will be fine. The biggest problem with any other private server is that the population is so low that there are an extremely limited number of 8v8 groups. Therefore, if one group is vastly superior and you run into them 100% of the time, you will never win. With bigger population you will have many 8v8's and you might run into 8v8v8 or 8v16 occasionally. We need not be so elitist about RP's and just join in the fight.

Why the hell would paladins have det? Do you just want MLs and CLs too? Why not just play EA servers? They already polished the game right out and everyone got everything everywhere so you can kill the NPCs real fast.

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elrim208 wrote:Beyond what every said about all the other hybrids asking for it in other realms, what about armsmen? Removing det from paladins is their only chance to get into 8v8 action.

Honestly, sometimes people are such drama queens about balance. You aren't going to fix everything with just one change. There is a concept of perfect imbalance, and it will not always seem fair, but it's way better than you imagine it. The biggest disadvantage Albion has is that all their best abilities are so spread out that you need the strictest setup of all the classes to get every last buff/debuff etc. You can't just fix that by one little change; you'd have to completely overhaul who provides which buffs to cut it down to like 4-5 classes like it is on hib/mid.

Honestly, it will be fine. The biggest problem with any other private server is that the population is so low that there are an extremely limited number of 8v8 groups. Therefore, if one group is vastly superior and you run into them 100% of the time, you will never win. With bigger population you will have many 8v8's and you might run into 8v8v8 or 8v16 occasionally. We need not be so elitist about RP's and just join in the fight.

I don't have to imagine, I've seen it on genesis, which was a very successful old RA server that's over a year old. Paladins won't make it to 8v8 unless they have something worth bringing to the table (aka det).

Arms wouldn't become obsolete by giving pallys det. They are excellent peelers, have PF, trip, 4pt purge, and SB. You could easily fit an arms in with a pally... Something like: Clr Clr Sorc Cab Theurg Minst Arms Pal.

Giving pallys det wouldn't give albs an unfair advantage, it would simply give them the opportunity to run an endo class in a 8man group, which will not happen without det. Sure, there will be some groups who try to run using endo pots but they're going to be at a disadvantage and they'll get frustrated running around at speed 5 and having to restock on endo pots every 30 minutes.

Bottom line: the server will be heavily mid & hib biased. I look forward to hearing the crying when alb has 15-20% of the server population (which will be 99% PVErs and infs/minstrels) and no keeps or relics. Eventually the staff will wise up and decide to change things but by then lots of people will have already left. Sad.