Forgotten wrote:seriously, if they don't give any date about the reopening, it's because they just don't know, so they aren't ready

People don't care about an exact date, stop straw manning so hard. We are asking for an easy place to check for the latest word on an expectation. Saying "well they don't have an exact date, duh!" is a text book straw man fallacy, and it its is getting tiresome that I have to keep explaining this to people. About to hit double digits actually, its getting sad.

Pretty sure the Dev's are getting tired of people asking for exact OR approx date. They have stated numberous times they will post on the news page when they have info they feel is pertinent. Guessing it is hitting triple digits on that question for them...show them the same respect you want others to show you that way we can all not worry about explaining =)

I would LOVE an update but they will tell us more when they want. Simple as that. On the news page when they have more.

It's just annoying as ****** having people QQ about this and that about uthgard not giving a date yet to relaunch the server.. But its because Joe the plumber has no ****** clue how hard it is to make a project of this size work perfectly..

Only thing i can complain about is that the gms wont let me help coding some stuff for them, would speed up the project for sure!

Oswaldo wrote:It's just annoying as ****** having people QQ about this and that about uthgard not giving a date yet to relaunch the server.. But its because Joe the plumber has no ****** clue how hard it is to make a project of this size work perfectly..

Only thing i can complain about is that the gms wont let me help coding some stuff for them, would speed up the project for sure!

+++1 to this. And if I had the skill to code, I'd be ****** too about not being able to help but at the same time...its a labor of love, and so ofc Blue is going to be cautious about who he taps.

I honestly think the best response (Holsten said this earlier, and I am sure many other people have as well) to those who flame and QQ hardcore on the fourms here...is to just not respond. You are not ignoring them, and I know the majority of the GMs are reading all these posts, but when you reply, you give them ammo to keep going. I would fully expect that the sole reason the GMs have been so inactive these past 6 months on the forums is not because they have been absent, but because they understand that when they respond it gives fuel to the flames. For the life of my I cannot figure out why people can't put two and two together. There are no updates, because there is NOTHING TO UPDATE ON that is significant milestones. I mean seriously, do people want an hourly log of the GMs time? That sounds a lot like a professional job to me, and last time I checked, no one of the Uthgard staff is getting paid to be here, let alone health benefits, 401k, etc etc.

For those of us who have some reason in our minds, lets post when we feel called, but lets refrain from responding to the flamers. Nothing good comes of the escalation that quickly ensues. New peeps and vets alike, we have an opportunity to support Uth, small as it might be, just by not being a pain in the GMs ass. The less chaos seeds we sow, the better environment we have to support them and the hopefully INC relaunch.

And if you want an example of wisdom, I am pretty sure Blue has deliberately taken himself out of the forum equation, simply not to inflame. He does not think he is better than us, he just knows that when he says something, everyone gets all antsy in their pantsy and can't control the ensuing pubescent bukkae that explodes from their keyboards.

As always, M2C's,

Alpha

Paladinpumph wrote: The straw man arguments like these just keep coming out; I never said a word about how they need to hurry up, or that they aren't working hard/long enough - it has clearly all been about communication and improving on the situation of players coming here in several threads asking the same question. Some want to white knight and rush in and tell everyone just how much they aren't contributing. Seriously, this is like the 5th straw man I've had to deal with because everyone is so eager to jump in front of any criticism, no matter if it is well argued. More doses of non sequiturs and straw men seems to be the best most of you can come up with, which just reinforces my original point: this type of behavior (being D-bags to players asking for ETA) is indefensible.

I don't think you understand what straw man means. Especially since you then try to justify your argument against some "straw man" by actually arguing against something that was or wasn't said. straw holds no water and needs no counter because there is no logical connection. While not big words, these, you should probably stick with smaller.

nat wrote:

Paladinpumph wrote: The straw man arguments like these just keep coming out; I never said a word about how they need to hurry up, or that they aren't working hard/long enough - it has clearly all been about communication and improving on the situation of players coming here in several threads asking the same question. Some want to white knight and rush in and tell everyone just how much they aren't contributing. Seriously, this is like the 5th straw man I've had to deal with because everyone is so eager to jump in front of any criticism, no matter if it is well argued. More doses of non sequiturs and straw men seems to be the best most of you can come up with, which just reinforces my original point: this type of behavior (being D-bags to players asking for ETA) is indefensible.

I don't think you understand what straw man means. Especially since you then try to justify your argument against some "straw man" by actually arguing against something that was or wasn't said. straw holds no water and needs no counter because there is no logical connection. While not big words, these, you should probably stick with smaller.

It's a straw man because I didn't ask for an exact date, and his response was in the context of myself asking for such a thing. That is a straw man because he is exaggerating what I asked for in order to then respond to it as if I was asking for such a thing.

Even if, my original post was about people to stop being assholes to others that drop by looking for an ETA update. The minor part of it was a suggestion to add a sticky so that everyone is happy: both those that drop by (so they won't litter up every post) and to the regulars that constantly have to respond to them (by removing most/all of them from even happening.)

This blew up because people acting like assholes don't like being called on it and then straw man my argument by saying I'm asking for something much more (an exact date on an ETA and to update me all the damn time on the matter).

Also, my argument's justification isn't hinged on them straw manning my statements, its hinged on their crap attitude that is only chasing people away, while mine does no such thing and only tries to create/expand the communication between the staff and its player base. People aren't reading my suggestions and saying "F this." and walking away. The same can't be said for the ugliness in several front page threads when people ask for an update on the ETA. People have several better things to do than deal with that, they'll just move on, and all the work the mods do will be for nothing when there's 52 people on each realm in a few months. It's a crap attitude and I've called them on it, and they respond with straw man arguments that can easily be seen by going back to pages 31 on.

It is funny but I can go back in the forums and pick almost ANY thread and find some post made by a player in which the player says something like-- would be nice if we did this or would be nice if we didn't do this.

Then someone comes in and tells them to shut up and stop qq and how the server is free. If it was a drinking game we would all die of alcohol poisoning.

Seriously, there is a history of toxic group think and sycophant bullying on these forums. These forums need an enema.

A few people-- like me-- just refuse to be bullied and stand our ground.

Lol, looking through an old thread-- here is my favorite quote from one of these bullies:

"
Tbh all these whiners, leave instead of crying like little girls here every god damn time the staff tells you something new."

Guess they left.

relvinian wrote:It is funny but I can go back in the forums and pick almost ANY thread and find some post made by a player in which the player says something like-- would be nice if we did this or would be nice if we didn't do this.

Then someone comes in and tells them to shut up and stop qq and how the server is free. If it was a drinking game we would all die of alcohol poisoning.

Seriously, there is a history of toxic group think and sycophant bullying on these forums. These forums need an enema.

A few people-- like me-- just refuse to be bullied and stand our ground.

Lol, looking through an old thread-- here is my favorite quote from one of these bullies:

"
Tbh all these whiners, leave instead of crying like little girls here every god damn time the staff tells you something new."

Guess they left.

You are my E-Hero!

he stood his ground against all those harrassing pixels!!!1111

Oswaldo wrote:Only thing i can complain about is that the gms wont let me help coding some stuff for them, would speed up the project for sure!

not sure if u would invite someone to the team who was perma banned from the server before

Quik wrote:Pretty sure the Dev's are getting tired of people asking for exact OR approx date. They have stated numberous times they will post on the news page when they have info they feel is pertinent. Guessing it is hitting triple digits on that question for them...show them the same respect you want others to show you that way we can all not worry about explaining =)

I would LOVE an update but they will tell us more when they want. Simple as that. On the news page when they have more.

Another one missing the point of the suggestion. It isn't about that they know a date at all. It would behoove the entire community to put an end to the bickering whenever it occurs by adding something people can check. Even if it says 2015. They should know at least what year it looks like. The point is to make the problem if asking in dozens of threads go away. I don't understand how everybody has a problem seeing what doing this would be even with an extremely vague educated guess.

But if you want the problem to stay and continue to deal with it, well, I guess I can only lead a horse to water right?

I give up now though, it's become clear that people for some bizarre reason want it to continue to occur, otherwise there'd be more support for it. Weird ******.

Pretty sure after 35 pages of the same ******, this thread can be locked. Not sure the dead horse can handle much more beating (even if it is from someone new every single week).

Long Live Uth 2.0....

Alpha

Alphaone wrote:Pretty sure after 35 pages of the same ******, this thread can be locked. Not sure the dead horse can handle much more beating (even if it is from someone new every single week).

Long Live Uth 2.0....

Alpha

+ lock please this thread, i'm bored to see same qq wall of text again and again

Jarqo wrote:+ lock please this thread, i'm bored to see same qq wall of text again and again

...if only there was some way to not read the thread...

one can only dream