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Postby dealinjah » Jan 27, 2014 19:45

RonELuvv wrote:
ZerGlinG wrote:yeah...yeah...yeah.. this discussion can be endless ...

in some weeks.. if all the emotions cool down.. (this RA is usually on a 4+ week timer) and the brains start to think clearly again..
you'll all see this wipe was really needed and you'll have more fun than ever on uthgard.

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I dont know about you, but no amount of time will make me see this as a good decision just as no amount of time will make me think that Justin Bieber is talented or that Arizona has great ocean front property for sale. Its not a good decision now and time will not improve that.

I counter with saying in time you will see that I am the one who is right. Within a year of the restart of this server you will see the same complaints as you already see in this thread. All the people that are pro Uthgard 2.0 also have 1000 ideas for how to make it better. Each one completely different and the GM's will heed almost none of them. Then you will be right back to where we started.




The fact is we are here for long time and as you can see if you take a look on this kind of thread . Take your time to do it and pay attention expecially on staff awsner.

http://uthgard.net/forum/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=32411

http://uthgard.net/forum/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=32231

http://uthgard.net/forum/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=32351

http://uthgard.net/forum/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=32301

http://uthgard.net/forum/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=32333


As you can see the majority of the communyti is asking for less nerf on Uthgard

Most of staff awnser is flaming like you dont wanna play here just leave




On those thread WE are QQIng about life getting harder again and again on uthgard and expecially for new comers(No rp while dead no more tajendi etc)

We had telling to staff what will happen , they didnt listen to us

they didnt listen to the community since long years and continued to go trought to their goal , a clearly 1.69 with less custom as possible..


And now they start to listen to community but not to the old one , ofc some of old player are ok for a wipe but they are listening to new players expecially.

So new players have to understand in those kind of past thread we were QQing for US but for you too and now old player get screwed because old decision were bad and they didnt listen


This is quietly unfair for old players who were defending the same goal as new players...
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Postby Dunlich » Jan 27, 2014 19:48

HAHAHAHA Dumbest decision ever. All that work for nothing, not going to start over what a complete waste of time. You guys suck.

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Postby daz » Jan 27, 2014 19:50

ZerGlinG wrote:why? think again! ALL PLAYERS NEED TO BE EVEN at relaunch.. if not.. instant QQ again!


so for those who start late(r) we need to wipe the server again, would be unfair otherwise

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Postby RonELuvv » Jan 27, 2014 19:54

ZerGlinG wrote:
Hm.. we will never be back where we started.. because all the.. let's call it "stuff" ..

is fixed now after 9 years - and never will be back :wink:


By "stuff" you mean all the custom solutions that were removed systematically and pi$$ed off all the players (especially the casuals)? You know, all that stuff that got removed and made the gap between hardcore/Old players and new/casual players?

Really what it all boils down to is new/casual players say they cant compete. Some blame it on RR (wont be fixed with a wipe). Others blame the money gap (shouldnt matter if new/casual players can farm/afford a good template easily). Some blame the fact that some players have items that others dont have access to (accelerated item degradation would have solved this). The fact is they are all reasons/excuses for essentially the same problem.... I CANT COMPETE WITH HIGHER RR/SKILLED PLAYERS. Wipe does not fix that problem. It just puts a band aid on it for a couple months to placate the masses for a little bit.

You cant equalize skill and effort. A wipe does not do this.

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Postby RonELuvv » Jan 27, 2014 19:56

dealinjah wrote:The fact is we are here for long time and as you can see if you take a look on this kind of thread . Take your time to do it and pay attention expecially on staff awsner.

http://uthgard.net/forum/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=32411

http://uthgard.net/forum/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=32231

http://uthgard.net/forum/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=32351

http://uthgard.net/forum/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=32301

http://uthgard.net/forum/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=32333


As you can see the majority of the communyti is asking for less nerf on Uthgard

Most of staff awnser is flaming like you dont wanna play here just leave

On those thread WE are QQIng about life getting harder again and again on uthgard and expecially for new comers(No rp while dead no more tajendi etc)

We had telling to staff what will happen , they didnt listen to us

they didnt listen to the community since long years and continued to go trought to their goal , a clearly 1.69 with less custom as possible..

And now they start to listen to community but not to the old one , ofc some of old player are ok for a wipe but they are listening to new players expecially.

So new players have to understand in those kind of past thread we were QQing for US but for you too and now old player get screwed because old decision were bad and they didnt listen

This is quietly unfair for old players who were defending the same goal as new players...


Exactly!! Thank you for reminding me that some people understand where I'm coming from.

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Postby Ashoris » Jan 27, 2014 19:56

ZerGlinG wrote:Foneb.. dude.. QQ since page 1 here .. get over it.. this would be BAD.

why? think again! ALL PLAYERS NEED TO BE EVEN at relaunch.. if not.. instant QQ again!


I did not get what you problem is with naked lvl 50 chars ... it doesnt matter -

what is with a person that starts playing a month later ..
what is with the 3hour per week Player vs the Holiday 15 hours a day Gamer ...

lvl would be wide spread even in the beginning and thats good - not too crowded lvl spots, ppl who can help you a bit ..
or just unlock all old lvl 50 chars after the first 500 new ones have reached lvl 50. there are so many ways to make it fun.

Just understand that for MANY Players the lvling in DAoC isnt the fun , but the endcontent (Economics, Raids, RvR) is.
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Postby dealinjah » Jan 27, 2014 20:03

We are not here for flame Staff and QQ all the time we are Uthgard players we liked to play here.

Yes its was hard yes it was long like for new players actually . New commers got a new problem who affect all the players bases

there are less people now on uthgard than in the past . The Solution is in thread links i set above , they had choose a solution easiest for them :


As a staff member you can change what you want on a wiped and closed shard if your decision dont please some guys who are QQing you can awnser : come on lil boy dont wanna play here ? So dont create your char at the release.


By wiping all the chars and closing the shard , they know we gonna come back at release to grind our chars , expecially with no ALTERNATIVE way to play on classic shard if we dont want to play uthgard again..

By giving a huge bonus to expers at release they are sure we gonna be back and they will be successfull : You see players we made the right choice .... They will get bak many old players and many new players who cant play somewhere else



This idea is an awesome idea .... for them and for new comers but i dont see any advantage for old players ... expect more players to kill Who could join with others solution..

thats why this idea make me sick
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Postby ZerGlinG » Jan 27, 2014 20:35

daz wrote:
ZerGlinG wrote:why? think again! ALL PLAYERS NEED TO BE EVEN at relaunch.. if not.. instant QQ again!


so for those who start late(r) we need to wipe the server again, would be unfair otherwise



no. because the state of server/settings hasn't changed since then. same basic conditions.

think around some corners more.. not just one :wink:
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Postby daz » Jan 27, 2014 20:38

so whats your argument now vs just wiping items, money and rr?

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Postby [R]Bloodwyne » Jan 27, 2014 20:41

if you wipe then do it right... dont underestimate the feeling of a complete new beginning for EVERYONE. Making exceptions will just give people reason to start whining again. Not that im for a wipe at all, but im not gonna try to stop any stupid idea the staff has anymore, at the end its their server and they will always do what they believe is right.
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Postby ZerGlinG » Jan 27, 2014 20:52

daz wrote:so whats your argument now vs just wiping items, money and rr?


This. http://uthgard.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=33190

read Nayru's post carefully to the end. things are explained quite well.
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Postby dealinjah » Jan 27, 2014 20:53

daz wrote:so whats your argument now vs just wiping items, money and rr?



Get back the Uthgard like it was 2 years ago with tajendi for example etc

remmeber the population on uthgard 2 or 3 years ago , Do you think it was a mistake to nerf all ?

then you add old ra si defense pênetration and class correctly implemented and this shard is awesome even for new comers


new comers will not find this game so hard if there is more people to play with and against
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Postby daz » Jan 27, 2014 20:59

so you dont have one, great.

you really think it would be a disadvantage for new starters if there lv50 + craftskills?
especially when lvling should get easier then it ever was?

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Postby ZerGlinG » Jan 27, 2014 21:00

[R]Bloodwyne wrote:if you wipe then do it right... dont underestimate the feeling of a complete new beginning for EVERYONE. Making exceptions will just give people reason to start whining again. Not that im for a wipe at all, but im not gonna try to stop any stupid idea the staff has anymore, at the end its their server and they will always do what they believe is right.


+100 :)
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Postby ZerGlinG » Jan 27, 2014 21:06

daz wrote:so you dont have one, great.

you really think it would be a disadvantage for new starters if there lv50 + craftskills?
especially when lvling should get easier then it ever was?


lvl50 or less / craftskills get instant raid/farm possibilies
instant craft armor/weapons.. etc etc etc.. for their guildmates, friends.. sell them..

and the whole progress to 50 should be harder than now (yesterday) anyway.
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