Great Job Staff really

Make 2 Servers with the same setup old ras si etc. In the longturn Uthgard 1 wins because the same player who cry for a fresh start will cry again when the same players are high rr again and kill the lows again. You see that on Origins now. Thats a glorious Politik.

I dont know why People should leave Origins. That guys promise that they will never kill the Rps. Only some Uthgard guys will come back not more. When i want a fresh start i will play Origins. Also the American primetime is good there.

You make a big mistake. Have fun. Goodbye Friends and Enemys. Was a nice time.

My Wife should be lucky about that

Its easy to answer the question why ppl should leave.

If u look at it objectively Uthgard is the better server in all points.

Osaris wrote:Its easy to answer the question why ppl should leave.

If u look at it objectively Uthgard is the better server in all points.

Why should they leave a server where the Staff talks and work for the player and not against the player? Uthgard Staff ignore their player again.

this can be an opportunity, if its done right.
hope the staff reads the comments carefully and chose wisely!

first of all, i still think you made a really good job here and its much appreciated!
thanks for all the fun and dedication to this project!

reduce the timesink. uthgard dont need the i call it patch-like (1.69) timesink.
daoc was created as a pay-to-play game and they didnt want ppl to be done after a month, no surprise there, but even on live servers the timesink was reduced patch by patch.

the "it wasnt live-like and easy to change" attitude was one of the most horrible things imho.

we dont need to wait xx mins for a port or for a ride down to innis/cw/galplen, we actually did that more than enough times.
we want an instant shard? hell yes, an instant action shard. this doesnt have anything to do with insta50!, even though lvling could use some tweaks as well. ( the "wrong" group bonus on origins is quite a nice idea to group up ppl )

its more likely ppl keep playing rvr if it isnt taking like 15mins to get back to where they died and ppl wouldnt bother that much about getting slammed by a higher rr group. it would help the rvr population imho.

so yes, i think it wouldnt hurt at all to have an instant port to hw/og/emain, to have hastener all around the pve zones, all-in-all to have some beyond the patch (1.69) customizations!

supastar already stated out quite a few more points i agree in (prev page).

hope you dont mind i quote a origins admin here, but i think it fits the situation i wanted to describe:

Classic 'like' is not the same as 'Classic Exact'. Even if we COULD make an exact copy of EA/Mythic's DAoC of patch 1.62 vintage (and we can't), most of the players would act differently today than they did in 2002/2003. We have 10 years more knowledge now. We aren't surprised the first time we find a Pygmy Goblin camp. We know how to spec our characters and gear up.

about the revamp: 1st of all, please clearify what the staff got in mind here!

dont wipe the whole char-db, just items/rr
leave lvls and craft skill untouched! otherwise its more likely a serverkill

thanks to all the groups out there, it was much fun with you guys:
Anguish/Ruin, DG, Rare, RJ, Sign, our ally and all those who just didnt pop up into my mind right now!

daz wrote:this can be an opportunity, if its done right.
hope the staff reads the comments carefully and chose wisely!

I can assure you all that we do.

I dunno if it's just me or when i see these guys that say Yes, that will bring more people ( the total reset) ,i just see trolls.

Don't need to be Hari Seldon to understand that:

1) the erase will bring most of the Veterans to not rejoin a brand new uthgard..

2) A newby will not choose uthgard as start cause everything on origin is way more easy than how it is on uth. ( not saying newplayer friendly, i just say easy as fk)

3) if veteran don't join and newby either or the number is minimal new opening will be pretty poor.

cadaliw wrote:1) the erase will bring most of the Veterans to not rejoin a brand new uthgard..

You mean the same veterans on high RR that didnt mind to gank low rr pugs all day long, and those other veterans in their 8vs8 elitist guilds that flamed their own realmmates when they asked for help?
Bruhahahaha.

Sure. We will miss them. Like headache.

And why to join Origins? It took 3 days and the server had serious problems handling all the players. Uthgard has a staff w/ years of experience w/ a daoc freeshard.

man... low rr pug should do low rr stuff... do the gazelle stand in front of the lion?

This is really bold move. Some form of extreme measure was expected, but I never really thought they'd wipe the server .

I guess we need to wait and see how this will play through. The "release timing" will be a pretty important factor concerning the success of Uthgard v2.

Also, as a player with three 50s and many alts (who stopped playing completely since summer), I fully endorse this change. Uthgard has reached it's lowest possible point and there's no band aid solution out of this.

Good luck.

Since everyone is giving their suggestions on what should be changed, I will too.

First off what were the biggest problems IMO:

1) Even at very high server pops (1k+ people) Emain used to be empty or almost empty. Why did that happen? Why didn't that happen to any other server I played?

There are multiple reasons:

a) Low RR players preferred farming keep tasks/guard tasks (PvE) for rps instead of PvPing. Why? Because they tried PvP, they 8v8ed against the high RR groups and naturally got their asses handed to them. But why don't they zerg them down? Because zerging is seen as lame/noobish by the community and the devs gave them the option to gain RPS by PvEing (guard tasks / undefended keep takes). So they prefer to hide from real PvP by farming guard tasks until they are high enough RR to take on the RR10+ groups. This could take months of course and very few survive the boring grind.

b) Thidranki was too awesome. Especially when there was good action, I have never done any PvP that was more fun than Thidranki on Uthgard. Then you hit 4l2, went to "real" RvR, get instantly depressed and either quit the game or reroll to play some Thid again. Also thid at lvl49 gave new players the "8v8 or you are a newb" mentality, and that didn't change once they hit 4l2.

c) Leveling took way too long. DAoC's strength is PvP, not leveling.


2) The food chain

RvRing in emain when there is 3-4 groups out isn't fun. It is easy for the weak groups to punish the good groups by logging off. Good DAoC RvR should have 200+ people in emain: Zergs, 8v8, small groups, stealthzergs, solos, solo stealthers etc.

It is the food chain: Zergs eat 8mans (if they can catch them, zergs are usually slow), 8mans eat small groups, small groups/stealthzergs eat soloers/solo stealthers. Every one of those groups is important. If one goes away the chain breaks and RvR dies.

Uthgard's food chain was broken. There were almost no zergs, because it was frowned upon and also because low RR players had other options to get rps (guard tasks = PvE = get rps without the shame). Also there were almost no soloers/solo stealthers because of the removal of buffbots. So you had very limited options: 8v8, small group or stealthzerg. But without soloers the small groups went away. Without small groups the weak 8mans went away etc. You can't have a healthy, sustained PvP population with so few options.


So how do you fix those issues?

a) remove rps from PvE activities (taking keeps, guard tasks, anything that doesn't require killing enemy players). This way low RR players will have to adapt. They know they can't take on RR10+ groups in 8v8, so they will have to form zergs. Keep takes should only be done if there is a real reason (DF, attack/defend relics, farming enemy defenders/attackers). Turning keep warfare into PvE was a bad idea.

b) The removal of Thid and porting for hibs (like you have done. Good job). Although as a thid-fan I really hope you give us the option to /rp off and /xp off so we can have bg-only chars.

c) Much faster leveling, less PvE requirements (Running Tajendi for the Xth time was the worst part about Uthgard by far) = less people PvEing and more PvPing.

d) Add buffbot NPCs for solo players (buffs should get cancelled if you group up with someone), or just allow buffbots in RvR and make the buffs drop if the buffbot is disbanded (that way 8mans won't be able to use them, and stealthzergs will become smaller). This should bring back solo players / solo stealthers, and together with a) fix the food chain once and for all.

e) Like others have said, old RAs, SI.

Wiping the server won't do much (not that I care personally, only have RR4-5s). You will ****** off a lot of players and break their trust for very little gain. Some groups will be high RR in no time again and you will face the same issues all over again.

The problem with a wipe is it heavily discourages players to trust that you won't wipe again in some years. Also, if there are any bugs at all, it will grossly undercut the idea that the wipe is a 1 time thing to fix all remaining problems. And let's face it, unless the server comes down for several years, it won't be bug free when it relaunches.

There's a reason some of us never rolled the shards that have wiped in the past. This may be the final nail in uthgar'd coffin. Hope I am wrong.

First, I find it funny that most of these guys wanting a wipe have been (at least on the forum) only for 2 years at most and the majority are people who have been here a year or less. Second, as others have pointed out, DG, Requiem, Rare, MB, and pretty much all the major rollers you QQ about all went to Origins. So do you think they will not come back when the reboot happens? I'm going to guess they do, and a lot of them just to spite some of you, especially idiots that say things like this:

Kayd wrote:Experienced players should consider this a forced retirement. They had simply become too good at this game. Hopefully, most of them do not come back as the server will be better off without them. It is time for the next generation.

How I would love to meet you in real life. It is time for the next generation? Hilarious. A 14 year old game is waiting on the next generation. Are you a GM on Origins or something. You come out of nowhere, don't mention any toons you have, and pretty much give the absolute worse advice I've every seen based on nothing more then dribble. For having such a strong opinion on stuff its awfully strange you've had a whopping 8 posts in THREE years on this server.

This server has stayed open for 11 years because of these same players you say it would be better off without. How many other free shards have done that and maintained the success that Uthgard has? NONE. Not a single one. You are a stain on humanity you POS....

cadaliw wrote:man... low rr pug should do low rr stuff... do the gazelle stand in front of the lion?

Too bad, when the Lion ports into the same regions like the gazelle over and over again.

my chance to reroll elf bm

dinj wrote:my chance to reroll elf bm

YOu see what happen blue ? you see what happen ? ^^ you cant let him do that its not possible :p