Hi there,

I ´ve some thoughts about the current valewalker situation after the current patch. I dont want to start a QQ thread due any discussion about patching is worthless and ends in flamings and at the end closed threads .I m looking for advice and experience of VW players that also played on live.

As I killed some mobs in sheeroe to test new conflag style, I realized the anytimer styles dealing same damage like hiting unstyled, thats weird and the absorb seems to be broken too,- the damage gain is similar to normal casters.
I played on lyonesse server and used to kill red mobs without buffbot in shrouded isles even before the styles got improved (frontstyle snare anytimer and so on). It wasnt easy going but I was never in danger to die (as long as my shields were up ) and at the current situation on uth I ´m 50-50 chance to die and try to figure out what ´s wrong cause I m getting outdamaged and even orange mobs causing trouble.

Before the patch I was able to deal conflag combo when running out of health during a battle, I dont remember vW got that combo on live, but here it was a nice rescue to compensate the high damage you get, but thats not working anymore.
My toon is 50, temped with 50 scythe, 36 abo rest parry specc and has better RR then my VW I played at live server so it ´s not a question of gear or specc.

Question @ staff Are there still known Valewalker bugs at Uthgard you are working at the moment to improve this class, or does it work as expected in your opinion?

Question @ other VW players that played live too, do you have same feelings about VW compared to live and uth server? Or do I ve wrong thinking about this class at this patch level.
It has been a while we played version 1.69 at live servers so my memories might be wrong at some point, but in my point of view VW feels pretty weak now compared to live-classic. I think the damage you get is quite to high.

regards
Megrim

What table is VW on here? I seem to recall that the VW was on its own special table on live that was better than most hybrids. You might double check to see that VWs get the same WS per spec point in scythe and point of str on uthgard as on live.

I also believe that the arrow negating buff isn't implemented yet, but that's not really related to your issue.

As far as damage that VWs take with shields up, I seem to recall hitting VWs about as hard as I hit a hero, so i didn't think your ABS was broken or anything, but you could compare that to live as well.

Arrow parrying style will never be fixed. Disease procs will never be fixed. You'll just have to deal with how VW is now.

[WSM 1,4] all casters
[WSM 1,6] druid, cleric
[WSM 1,8] shadowblade, infiltrator, scout melee, minstrel, NS, ranger melee, bard, hüter, friar, shaman, healer, thane, valkyrie [schwert]
[WSM 1,9] paladin, reaver, hunter Melee, champion, skald, valkyrie [spear], heretic
[WSM 2,1] valewalker
[WSM 2,2] Scout Bow, Ranger Bow, Hunter Bow, armsman, mercenary, blademaster, hero, berzerker, savage [2H wespon 1,9], vampyr
[WSM 2,3] warrior

Those are the weaponskill tables. I'm sure Uthgard follows it even though it means nothing here.

Thx for replies guys, I think the WS has never been big problem of a vw, to hit chance is ok, it ´s getting hard when you fight against shield tank but that was same problem at live and to be honest there have always been much better choices for solo chars instead of picking a vw.
In current rvr situation vw got more worse for smallman grps cause the anytimers damage sucks and you can ´t always use backstun and sidechain but that ´s another topic, I think I ll specc to 44 scythe now due I just use this toon for farming.

Jerrian wrote:Thx for replies guys, I think the WS has never been big problem of a vw, to hit chance is ok, it ´s getting hard when you fight against shield tank but that was same problem at live and to be honest there have always been much better choices for solo chars instead of picking a vw.
In current rvr situation vw got more worse for smallman grps cause the anytimers damage sucks and you can ´t always use backstun and sidechain but that ´s another topic, I think I ll specc to 44 scythe now due I just use this toon for farming.

Weaponskill on uthgard is only for looking at damage, there is ZERO reduction of enemy defenses through weapon spec and weapon stat, might as well be a druid for the purpose of block rates etc

Conflag dealt good dmg, but it was after the detaunt style that dealt the same dmg as an unstyle hit.

- good dmg + low = medium (and if you miss your conflag, you dealt low ^^)

Since there is no more conflag now, you can't expect do 4th combo style after evade on RVR, maybe on PVE but that's all... So yes, as you said, VW are very low on RVR now. It's my opinion.

Played VW on live, and yes, I've got strange feeling here :

The absorb dmg is very strange with VW, it's like you wear renforced armor, but you've got 33% absorb with your buff and not any malus due to the fact you wear cloth. I think there is a problem but I don't know if we can and how to "proof" this...

There is another problem : dmg variance... I've got more than 75% of dmg variance on styled or unstyled hit of course I've got 50+21 scythe

And as you said, dmg at all are very strange, sometime I'm seeing that 1H hit more harder than me. Keep smiling...

Weaponskill on uthgard is only for looking at damage, there is ZERO reduction of enemy defenses through weapon spec and weapon stat, might as well be a druid for the purpose of block rates etc

Thx, good to know I thought passive defence formulas have been implemted meanwhile, well when old RAs coming moblock 5 druid will be a 1 vs 1 killer, much better then a VW for example

@ Feuille
Thx for your reply I was hoping you´ll answer my thread cause you are a very experienced VW player. Damage variance at 2handed weapons is still a problem that will probably never been fixed, staff said once there is no bug or players shall prove it, I just remember I had nor or very low damage variance at live, dual wielders, 2hand users, casters all do a similar amount of damage, 2handers lagging here but as you said keep smiling ,-).
It ´s useless to hope for landing conflag now, but when this is the 1.69 state vw have to deal with it but in rvr you ´ll probably get no chance to land 4 hits in a row by an evade chain.
The only question is will 44 scythe force the damage variance problem much more and are 60 or so (untested) WS a big difference in damage.

I dunno how to prove that the absorb is wrong, we could make tests by hiting same mobs on live and uth with similar gear and chatlog, but I don ´t know if staff would accept it as witness or being interested in such tests. /shrug

qq i cant farm warshades for tons of plats anymore is all i can read here

qq i cant farm warshades for tons of plats anymore is all i can read here

I hope your mind has better functions then your reading skills, anyway thanx for your trolling attempt .

pweet wrote:qq i cant farm warshades for tons of plats anymore is all i can read here

Easy to get a 4 part evade chain off in PvE on an OJ mob, champ.

My new specs suggestions :
- 48A / 44S / 10P
- 43A / 44S / 23P
- 38A / 44S / 30P
- 34A / 44S / 35P

Feuille wrote:My new specs suggestions :
- 48A / 44S / 10P
- 43A / 44S / 23P
- 38A / 44S / 30P
- 34A / 44S / 35P

I ll go with the 34A 44 S 35P specc for now, this was a common specc at live servers I red in old 4players forum and the ppl liked it.
The Higher Aboreal specc makes no sence at this point in my opinion, it was a good choice as VW got disease spell but at uth it shall be enough to reach 50 with items and RR , I tested mastery of focus RA too, to raise the gorund spell level of lifeleech spell to get less resistrates and got no noticeable effect , I m fine with 34 abo now. 44 Scythe and items and RR easyily hit 50+ for soft damage cap, when you say youi still got damage variances even with 50 + 21 scythe I have no doubt 44 may be right as well, og course you lose some points in WS but it shall not be a big loss.

50 Scythe specc may be an option again for me with release of old ras when vw ´s can specc dodger, it will become a bit easier to hit the conflag style then.

I ´ve another question I was pondering about, if you ´re using melee health buffer reproccs (MHB) on your vw and one is active it can ´t possible be overwritten by the defence MHB reproc from the aborial line, right?
But what happen if the aborial mhb is active, can it be overwritten by the better MHB reproc from armor? anyone knows?

the 100 abla proc can overwrite the self abla 90
the self 110/130 abla proc can overwrite the 100 abla proc

and i've the feeling that the 100 abla proc can overwritte the self 110/130 abla proc when there is less than 100 abla absorb left on the buff...

Thanks, you helped me alot of planing new gear and specc. .-)
best regards
Megrim