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Videos showing in 1.69 terrain didn't block line of sight

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Force Phoenix Knight Posts: 1569 Joined: Oct 22, 2009 00:00	Reply with quote by Force » Sep 30, 2013 08:27 Collecting all the videos people have that shows that terrain doesn't block line of sight in 1.69 Zarkor found this one which most clearly shows it http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x4ji0m ... cWkJJz-xTF 2:30 RM Rooting and Nuking through hill screenshot of casting straight through the hill The Mostly Harmless video also shows it http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0oSAaAur7GM 4:53 Healer mezzing through hill If you have another video showing casting from 1.69 that would be impossible on uthgard because of bugged line of sight please post it here. Or if you have a video showing anyone getting a target not in view message and being unable to cast because of terrain Line of Sight in Old Frontiers please post it (waste of time to search for this btw there aren't any because terrain didn't block it) Thanks. Also, maybe Blue could chime in as to how many videos showing casting through hills are needed before it is "sufficient evidence"

_Oglop_ Phoenix Knight Posts: 1414 Joined: Dec 10, 2010 05:24	Reply with quote by _Oglop_ » Sep 30, 2013 13:49 Forget the LoS Bug, I don't see a single fuath! "It's not fair unless I'm winning!"

Blue Developer Posts: 15822 Joined: Apr 22, 2005 00:00	Reply with quote by Blue » Sep 30, 2013 19:14 As I developed the spell system in 2004, I tested on live at that time and the LOS check at begin and end of cast was ofcourse there. I remember the message because I tested it with trees between target and caster. If you don't bring up patch notes which show a change this must be considered some glitch/lag in the video. It's done when it's done. Thanks for your patience. Every bug gets fixed. Sooner or later. "It is an inescapable law of nature that the amount of satisfaction one gains from achieving something is related to how hard it is and easy things can only elicit a fleeting superficial sort of pleasure." Blue says, "you used macro tools or macro keyboard" Pala says, "i am disabled. and i have a mechanic left hand that can be programed. its hard to play woith one hand" [Appeal] Bxxxxxxxx: "why is RA first aid cann man i stealth use and not unstealth cann man ra if man use unstealth ?????????" BannedUser: "i was not using automate game action my hand was fall on keyboard during i was sleep .... i was completly fall on keyboard ..."

Abydos Game Master Posts: 6839 Joined: Jan 22, 2011 21:14	Reply with quote by Abydos » Sep 30, 2013 19:28 And, by the way, this is entirely possible with client hacks as well. You certainly can't rule that out just based on a video. It wouldn't be the first time people have put their cheats in RVR videos/screenshots.

Force Phoenix Knight Posts: 1569 Joined: Oct 22, 2009 00:00	Reply with quote by Force » Sep 30, 2013 19:43 Blue wrote:As I developed the spell system in 2004, I tested on live at that time and the LOS check at begin and end of cast was ofcourse there. I remember the message because I tested it with trees between target and caster. If you don't bring up patch notes which show a change this must be considered some glitch/lag in the video. Trees are not ground. Ground never blocked LOS in OF, and you'll never see a vid showing not in view from ground, and every vid shows casting through ground. The 1.70 patch notes do make note of LOS changes btw ("As a part of the New Frontiers expansion, the line of sight code has been revised"), just didn't detail all of them specifically. The video doesn't show 1 lagged cast through the ground, beteeen the two vids there is half a dozen casts straight through the ground, you can't explain that with uthgard/NF los rules. That's also why cathal valley.the NF version of emain was made so insanely flat, with ground blocking los they couldn't put in the same features of OF emain cause you'd have LOS all over like uthgard. And ground los hack in OF is hilarious, I guess 250k players were using it then. Last edited by Force on Sep 30, 2013 22:43, edited 1 time in total.

Magicco Alerion Knight Posts: 2360 Joined: Aug 01, 2010 00:00	Reply with quote by Magicco » Sep 30, 2013 22:37 sorry for beeing OT: why do graves block LOS on uthgard xD?

Calatin Gryphon Knight Posts: 353 Joined: Feb 09, 2011 23:48	Reply with quote by Calatin » Oct 07, 2013 14:25 Magicco wrote:sorry for beeing OT: why do graves block LOS on uthgard xD? If you use /hidegraves they dont block LOS anymore xD funny, but true

Force Phoenix Knight Posts: 1569 Joined: Oct 22, 2009 00:00	Reply with quote by Force » Oct 15, 2013 00:14 Mark Jacobs replied to a PM I sent him on the CU internal forums, and both he and two old school DAoC players/CSE devs also agree that Old Frontiers ground did not block line of sight. So to recap the evidence so far we have. Multiple videos showing somewhere around 6 or 7 casts ignoring ground for Line of Sight. With clear screen grabs highlighting this fact. Patch notes that confirm there were line of sight changes made in 1.70. The creator of the game saying he believes that ground did not block line of sight in OF, and he confirms his belief with 2 devs at his current company that played a ton of DAOC in OF and agree. How much more evidence is needed now?

Blue Developer Posts: 15822 Joined: Apr 22, 2005 00:00	Reply with quote by Blue » Oct 15, 2013 00:16 This can't be changed. All ground is the same and its client side. It's done when it's done. Thanks for your patience. Every bug gets fixed. Sooner or later. "It is an inescapable law of nature that the amount of satisfaction one gains from achieving something is related to how hard it is and easy things can only elicit a fleeting superficial sort of pleasure." Blue says, "you used macro tools or macro keyboard" Pala says, "i am disabled. and i have a mechanic left hand that can be programed. its hard to play woith one hand" [Appeal] Bxxxxxxxx: "why is RA first aid cann man i stealth use and not unstealth cann man ra if man use unstealth ?????????" BannedUser: "i was not using automate game action my hand was fall on keyboard during i was sleep .... i was completly fall on keyboard ..."

Force Phoenix Knight Posts: 1569 Joined: Oct 22, 2009 00:00	Reply with quote by Force » Oct 15, 2013 00:24 Blue wrote:This can't be changed. All ground is the same and its client side. This is an answer I can respect, but it makes me wonder how they made the change in 1.70 Also, shouldn't this either be added to the custom list, or given a low priority tracker like the necro as something that "should be but probably never will"?