esme got the point ! hau!
: )

and the more ppl go there the bigger the chance gets on meeting non rr5+ ppl there.

that it is what we want to say.

Gaius wrote:hmm, and what would u do if that <elite-guilds> lvl chars for all BGs(their strength is not only the high-rr, btw) and kick your asses in braemar/wilton/thidranki? then stop playing on uthgard? you will always meet
groups stronger than yours, thats life.
i really dont understand that argumentation, sorry

IThis all bg wont work well, at least not in bre , too much other poeple playing there and u dont have much advantage in RR.
I didnt say for myself , i told what i see . OF course i will always meet stronger group ,otherwise it would be boring ....
I love rvr and emain too but ... atm i realised that its pointless going to emain without sc so i am off emain untill i will get it .

There are enough level50 chars - take a look at the events. In Agramon
you had around 3 fg each realm. You have to focus the real problem,
don't blame the results of the problem.

The people don't want to go to emain, because you have to build a nearly
perfect group to have a chance. Like Kronos said, we play to have fun.
This includes some victorys or maybe 1-3 killed enemies when your group
get killed. But 4-5 battles without killing an enemy, where you tried out
some tactics or loged another char to build a balanced group are
frustrating and is no fun. So the people leave emain.

Kicking the people out of Braemar, Wilton and later out of Thidranki wont
incraese the population of emain. These people will log and level another
char to have fun, where they can get fun - in the battlegrounds.

You have to make emain more attractive for non-perfect groups - groups
with 3-6 player are easier to build, but they wont have a chance at the
moment. When these groups get a chance - defending keeps or have
some other tactical possibilities to evade the more organized fgs or zergs
to fight small groups from other realms - the emain population will
increase - because the player have fun in emain.

thats what i mean, if noone go to emain, you cant meet any 3-6er slots.
only the strong guys, they see in irc that someone claim a tower for example,
they think, yeah after hours of waiting there is someone in emain, lets form group and kill them. if you have permanent hmm maybe 20-25 players from each realm, thats only 1/3 of the players at peaks, everyone can find enemies he can kill. and noone cares about uber groups, because there are other enemies which arent so strong. that works on every freeshard why it doesnt work on uthgard?

@ Kronos it was not a high rr grp with bd and twf it was only a bd with twf that killed out 3 people of your fg and got then killed himself from the other 5 albs. After that your whole grp left emain.


Such examples show why albion has so massiv problems at the moment to get xp and rr. Leaving Emain to early , nearly trying nothing in face the opponent. I remember an other situation last week when i had a duo with a shammy we met 4 lvl 50 french blades, as they saw us they runned straight back to tk and left without facing us in battle and this with 2 guys more.

I really dont want to start flame here but a lot of albs are to afraid of rvr.
How will this go on? You just dont get Rps in farming or crafting and so while mid and hib gets better rr with solo players small , and full groups your rr stays the same and so your chances will get smaller and smaller the longer you do nothing.

lol yeah mids are so strong they affraid us with 2 level 50 face to quite a FG of gimps FB...

or maybe was it 3 VS 1 level 50 2 level 43 autotrain and a 47 afk?

and this morning the mighty invincible BD smartly run in his tower in place of fight a poor stealther ...

i think the reason why albion has problem is cause mid are so powerfull...

Argyl wrote:@ Kronos it was not a high rr grp with bd and twf it was only a bd with twf that killed out 3 people of your fg and got then killed himself from the other 5 albs. After that your whole grp left emain.

100% wrong... We are talking about two different situations i think. I was in a 8player grp that got wiped by 5+ Mids with bd and TWF. We did not kill any of the mids... The situation you described i wasn't in...

I really dont want to start flame here but a lot of albs are to afraid of rvr.
How will this go on? You just dont get Rps in farming or crafting and so while mid and hib gets better rr with solo players small , and full groups your rr stays the same and so your chances will get smaller and smaller the longer you do nothing.

Well playing solo with a bonedancer is quite easy, isn't it...? I remember you being not even level 50 and having small RR not long ago. Now you are 50 at RR 5... Just think about it... How fast you got there! And please do not tell me its you - being not afraid going into RvR that gave you the points. I am not pointing fingers at your class, but just think about it...
So much about real solo RvR atm.

Anyway i can't here that "albs are afraid to loose" crap anymore. My personal win/loose statistic in emain might be 1 to 6...at best... Most of us have similar statistics ^^. So do not tell me to stay in RvR without even a small chance to win. I do not want to go over the whole alb discussion once again...but there are reasons why whole guilds stay out of emain atm (and we are working on the problem).

Just remind youself once in a while: We are the same people playing on this server, you are no mid, i am no alb...we are both human, nothing more. Do you really think albion's player are more afraid than midgards? Midgards superiority? Or albions inferiority complex ^^ Well...

Kronos

Yes i got rr5 very fast, but 70 % of my rp i did solo cause i never craft or farm , twink and waste time in low lvl bgs, all the time i am online i am in emain, that has nothing to do with the realm or the bonedancer you all hate so much even if it isnt worth 50 % here as it is on live, and that for you get personal to me in irc and forum, ist just everyones personal RvR Preferences.

I did the same way in rvr in hib with my solo warden bevore and got 6l4 in about 7 months of playing, so dont tell me its impossible for other realms and classes , cause thats crap.

Give me a lvl 50 friar and it would be able to do the same style in rvr and reach rr5 in 4 months too , that has nothing to do with that i would say i am a better player than others, its just to go out and do rvr !!!

@ Panach are you the new flamer king of albion? Everyone of your posts is full of hate , poor frustrated one. Let me tell you this,
well especially you if you always play you pussy stealther zerg in albion its clear you wont have a chance against a grp with di and real classes. And if smbody dont knows you are creeping around he cant stay to face you so dont cry if bad bad enemys run away from you cause they dont know you are there.

But go on and Vanish a bit

yeah stealther zerg power... archi and me for the win... how my god we zerg them with our 2 stealthers ... they had to ask help cause we killed one of them before got killed...

maybe you should watch a bit the duo of cassim and schmezzy to see whats possible with 2 guys.

Ok, Argyl i am out of this discussion with you. You have your view of things, i have mine... That's ok for me.

Just please do not accuse me of being personal against you in the forum or IRC... I have you on my personal IRC-ignore list (contains only you) now for a long time (guess why i did that...^^), so i do not even read you any more - so how should i attack you and your bd?

That's it for me. Anything more on the personal problems - please use PM to me. Do not want that here.

Kronos

A first step would be to disable /emain - imo it destroys RvR much more than it looks like. I thought over it for some time now and it seems to me that we did have much more "small" RvR when the command wasn't implemented. It's just too much information, if you know there are opponents you just search levelspots as there aren't much and voilá there you go.

But noone goes to emain with few enemys there unless he does not know how many there really are. The only thing it is usefull for is imo 8vs8, but it really prevents smaller groups.

Just my opinion..

I know it's hard to compete with those "high" RRs - on Avalon you can see many FG of RR10-12 - but they are killable (maybe with a little help of Zerg - but you are low and need those RPs).

hmm there is a big difference between live and uthgard. The player count and attitude.
On live zerging is a proper tactic and your own realm mates do not prohibit it.
There are enough players so if one group is zerged down and leaves this rvr zone(maybe just for another zone) it doesn't matter at all. Some minutes later there will be other enemy grps or the enemy is able to re zerg you.
On uthgard the situation is quite different. If there is a grp of your realm running able to give the enemies a tough fight they command you to go somewhere else even if your grp will never have a chance alone. Even if you are able to organize 2 grps to nullify your disadvantage of LVL/RR it will end up in 2 round RVR because Losing against a higher Playercount is beeing zerged and worth logging, even if you killed half of the enemies.
And when your enemy logs you won't see any enemy for hours.
And one thing i get really angry about is , that whenever my level grp kills other leveling enemies you have to face one of the high RR groups, even if the leveling group you killed was same lvl/random grp like yours.
So if the high rr's want more enemies in Emain they also thing about the idea not to log their high rr's when they loose 1 time with a twink.