Problem is that most people never leave the BGs. they fear to fight against uber Players/groups as u said. But if all players in the low BGs get their chars
up to lvl50 and go to emain u have the chance to meet other low rr groups and could have same fun like in braemar/wilton/thidranki. and if people say it takes too much time to lvl up to 50, they have choosen wrong game.
if could do, i would deactivate that /xp off command, than you can have a little bit rvr-action in low BGs but u are forced(dont know better word) to lvl up to 50.
thats my opinion

Edit: Uthgard dont want to be <easy-mode> like servers with exp*10 for example. But its much more easy mode if u have no need to lvl your char to the end, and its very frusttrating for people they have done it, because 80% only play in low bgs.

I completely agree with blue on that matter.

I can only speak for myself and i've talked to many others who had similar experiences.

Before Thidranki was implemented, DAoC was massively loosing fun and motivation for me. I could go to Braemar and Wilton and that was fun, but not the goal for me.

I could go to Emain and try grp RvR. But i only got fragged, because a real good grp was not easy to build up with the resources of my guild (and even 2 or more guilds). There were some times when we really had chances, but then you could be almost 100% sure, the enemy realm would log a better setup or (if not possible) would log 3-4 chars more just to kill us... So no grp fun in emain.

I could try to level up chars for emain (needed classes like cleric, theurg or merc), but without alb having bonus - no fun at all. And leveling together in emain almost intantly resulted in enemy level-grp farming 5min after logging in (all reams do that - not blaming anyone).

I could try solo in emain, but you know, there are reasons, solo fun has been reduced to zero for most classes (the reasons are official - so i won't cry - but facts are facts).


And then there was Thidranki. Its not the holy grail for uthgard, but there you can have leveling and RvR with chances to win. I have been in thid from day one now, and i made more RP there than in the last 3 months in emain. You can win battles without perfect grp setup, just by playing together, using basic strategies and tactics. And its fun...FUN!

I have heard so much people being happy about the new BG because of the same reasons i am.


On the other hand there are the lvl50 crying about dead emain. You are right, emain is deserted atm. But why? Not because of a new BG. Because player like to go to the BG's (this movement was growing long before thid was implemented). They also look for one thing: Fun with the game.

You do not have fun if you loose your battles 95%+X of the time. In thid you have chances. All realms have chances. Thats the reason people go there. Can you blame them?

Can you blame them for leveling their needed or loved lowlevel chars where they are not farmed intant by RR5 grps using TWF and emotes ^^. I can't.

At the end, think about the real reasons for emain going down...its certainly is not thid. Thid is the result, not the reason...

And, to all lvl50, do not be to nearsighted and blockheaded. All the thid chars will rise in level (it really goes fast), and they soon will reach emain. Maybe not all of them, but most... And then maybe even emain will rise again.

The majority loves thid and the BG. If it wasn't so, there would be emain RvR all the time...wouldn't it?

Just my two cents...

Kronos

Kronos wrote:On the other hand there are the lvl50 crying about dead emain. You are right, emain is deserted atm. But why? Not because of a new BG. Because player like to go to the BG's (this movement was growing long before thid was implemented). They also look for one thing: Fun with the game.

You do not have fun if you loose your battles 95%+X of the time. In thid you have chances. All realms have chances. Thats the reason people go there. Can you blame them?

So why dont deactivate low Bgs, push chars up to 50, and have same fun with
same players, same random groups and chance to win in emain?

Because there are not only random grps in emain. Random grps in emain get farmed by well balanced and high RR RvR grps very soon. You do not get RP you do not raise in RR and skill...

Pushing people into emain after wilton BG --> level 41! failed 100%. The people were leaving emain a long time before thid was implemented, because even if they would find some decent enemy not high RR "random" grp, there would soon be some other RvR grp killing them.

I have kept an eye on emain RvR in the last months, and believe me, we tried lots of things in emain. But in the end it resulted most time in 100% frustration...

I know whole guilds leaving emain out because of the situation there. And they were no stupid noob guilds... Guilds that now have new energy to level up chars for better RR and setups.

Removing BG's would only result in more unexperienced players in emain and more fun for the high RR grps, farming them...

Thats no solution.

Kronos

yes there will be high rr grps but there will be random grps too and not only form albion from hib and mid too. They will have fhights with the other random grps and maybe getting killed by the high grp but they can fight against the randoms and have good fights with em.

yep, some will, others will leave to start a new char, and others will leave the game, as they allways did

i started playing before breamar and wilton existed, everyone was trying to get lvl 40+ as fast as possible, went to emain, had some fights and some fun, got some rp and went back to emain,

those day's not many people where on the server, and not a lot of them where high RR, so fights where more even,

i remember high lvl albs starting chars in hib and mid because albion was too strong.....

then things changed, strong alb players left, forming strong enemy grp's, fighting the albs in organized grp's, chasing most lower lvl alb players out of emain..... resulting in a lot of frustrated lvl 40+ players facing the problem of having to lvl up withouth bonus and with allmost no chance to survive long if they tryed leveling in emain....

this resulted in a split up albion, one part formed rvr elite guilds, fighting in emain, getting rp's and RA, other part was starting new chars, or crafting to kill time, they where not aloud to joint the rvr grp's because they where not good enough, and if they formed rvr grp themselve, they got chased out by elite grp, or got wiped by enemy's...

as Kronos said, emain did not die because of bg, bg are the result of the emain situation, withouth bg, utgard would have been near dead now, only high RR players would have stayed, others would have left, and newcomers would never have had a chance to get good enough to play in emain with any chance of success...

i stopped going to emain a long time ago, all the rp i have date from over 8 months ago, and i didn't stop going because i didn't want to die from time to time, i just stopped going because i was lvl 50, so no need to go lvl there, and because i could not get a spot in any good rvr grp,

and i got disgusted when those rvr grp's chased others away, telling them they where zerging and offering free rp to the enemy's...

i think the staff made a wise decision with opening bg, it made the server fun for 95% of the non elite players, i'm sorry for the other 5%, just hope they understand that not everyone has time to play all day and all week.

the difference between a well organized fg of high RR players, and a random formed grp of 45+ players is simply to big, and the lack of rvr in emain makes a lot of enemy players log their highers chars as soon as someone has the guts to knock on a door in emain, resulting in certain death and frustration for the brave one who knocked...

just my two cents

Yes ,Thid was good move and remove BG's would be very bad move . I doubt it would bring more poeple to emain, rather decrease community of uth .... Also i agree there is almost no random grps in emain .. even if they appear tthey wlil fast got slaughtered by usual emain grps and that will be end . And thats why pople prefer bg, you dont need perfect grp setup to have fun .

hmm, and what would u do if that <elite-guilds> lvl chars for all BGs(their strength is not only the high-rr, btw) and kick your asses in braemar/wilton/thidranki? then stop playing on uthgard? you will always meet
groups stronger than yours, thats life.
i really dont understand that argumentation, sorry

they cant be everywhere

Gaius,
in BGs you can kick theire ass to,at least my guild plus some friends of us can because there is nearly no difference between RRs there(and we are not the only Guild who can face MB etc. there).It´s only about beeing able to play or not (even the setups are not giving the most impact tbh plus it makes sense to just put up another 4 ppl,in emme you still get farmed even with 12vs8).
In Emain you get pwnd by TWF3 + 2xDI 2+ all tanks got Purge 2/3 or Det 4.
And you face them with DI1...maybe moc 2...or det 3...well thats fun.
Thats the biggest difference between Emain and the BGs imo.
So Thid helps to be more Equal from the very beginning in Emain because you can get to 4l0 which allows you to at least get the most necessary RAs.

Just my 2 cents,
Player of Islana

yes thidranki will give back balance to emain rvr because all imo active emain players will leave because no rvr then all can do easy mode rvr by running in random grps or zergs without sc or assistleader ^^

islana, the idea to use the BGs for easier entry to emain is good.
But noone use them to increase RR.
the people want to stay there, you can read it in many posts in this forum.

the people plays a long time on uth will be punished for their expierience they
get in all the time.

But explain to me what people shall do instead of thidranki...

Get fragged in emain? We went there yesterday with our levelgrp (8 player, two clerics, really not bad balanced grp) and got kicked out of emain 10min later by high RR grp with bd and twf... Wow, that's fun for the high RR grp i get that (and i understand), but for us?

There is at the moment no chance, most guilds (in alb) can build a grp having chances against the really well balanced and GOOD RvR grps (they are good because they invested time and money into their chars - i know). Only AV can go agains them and sometimes a TC grp (and thats the alb perspective, i think in mid/hib situation is similar).

Right now my guild is leveling clerics to emain for better RvR there, and thidranki is the reason some of us didn't think of leaving the server because of frustration. (and i take my guild only as an example - i think there are a lot people feeling the same way).

I see your point, folks, i really do. I have leveled three chars to 50 in the last year with large periods of no bonus, so do not tell me how unsatisfying it is not being able to play or use them... I know that feeling...

But right now it seems that the majority wants just to have fun, they want to play the game, loose - win - loose - win.
Not loose - loose - loose or win - being zerged down.

At the moment i am done with emain and so are many other people. Once more: The reason is not thidranki, it's the result... The new BG is the reason some of us stay on uthgard (since some would most certainly leave or switch realms to mid or hib if the BG were closed).


And one thing: If all the high RR player, nagging atm in the forum and IRC because of emain emptiness would log their highlevel chars and battle, emain would not be so empty... Whats missing in emain atm are the lowies, random grps or unorganized people, the farm food for the RvR grps. Nothing more...

Those people are now in thid. Some are doing randomgrp-rvr, some are xping, some will stay and some will learn and try emain sooner or later. Just wait some weeks...

@massa
Just for information: right now in thid most of the grps use tactics, have working AT and at least 50% have SC armor... It's not gaga ugga child RvR...

Just my two (or more) cents...

Kronos

amen

i've played here for 2 years now and mastered a lot of up's and down's on this server but the situation as it is right now is making me want to take a break from uthgard.
sure the low bg's are fun but 4 bg's for the population we have here ?
there is nothing to do for ppl who want to play their lvl 50 chars anymore.
and i am just bored to death here atm.
someone posted the suggestion for automatic lvl up with reaching cap rr.
i think that would be a really good idea so ppl would have to go to emain sooner or later.
and the more ppl go there the bigger the chance gets on meeting non rr5+ ppl there.