Force wrote:

RonELuvv wrote:
On another side note: OLD RA'S ARE NOT COMING!!! We cant test them and hence will not come. Once again, get over it and move on.

That isn't why Old RAs are not coming.

Thats pretty much exactly why they aren't coming. Why don't you enlighten us if you're so clairvoyant?

I don't get it. What do you mean by "we can't test it" regarding the old ras?
So is the statement in the official news section about old ras obsolete?
Old RAs would be such a major point in enhancing overall balance... As someone allready pointed out, the higher reuse timer would allready make it necessary not to dump everything on every inc but to set priorities...

However, back to topic please guys...

"Another battleground just makes people reroll toons later"

If that is true, then none of you final-rvr'ers would have lost anything. If one rerolls with 4l2 or with 6l5 doesnt affect you at all.
If they dont go to emain, they dont go the emain. So why is that your cup off tea? What did you lose?
On the other hand i see there is a good chance that some people will actually try playing on their chars, but 4l2 is not enough.
Not only because low realm rank, but also, they need more practice time.
In thidrank most people have at least a few times a good grp, and they see that it is, not only the realm rank, but also the teamwork that is crucial. The time in thidranki is much to less to get some serious practicing unless you are a set or a small pug group in which you wouldnt need any more basic practice at all i guess.


They just didnt spent enough time, so they dont deserve to have what i have

Since this is basically only a flame, coming from the high-realm-rank-society, i dont even take this seriously.
Sorry, but with all the flaws in past, bamans dot weaps for instance, what you achieved isnt much of interesst for the majority of the players. It is not like i want free rrs for people or something, but that point really isnt one as long as it is only the save your elitetists status.



How about that:

Make one final battleground, lvl 50, and a flexible maximum of 6L0 - 7L0 which is connected to the open frontier activity a little like darkness falls.
Realms can raise or lose entrance possibilty per amount of keeps they own.
For instance, theoretically:
You have 0 Keeps : max. entrance 6L0
You have at least 1/3 of keeps: 6L5
You have all keeps: max. entrance 7L0
Also, grant a +1 homedefense bonus if 1/3 of keeps are all of your own or something.

Think of even having a flex. max. of 8L0, since it is much unlikey to own ALL keeps for a long time.
If people like battlegrounds, imagine how that would drive traffic to the frontiers if they want to stay there longer.
They would get used fluently to big rvr.

Maybe also think of a delay timer and dont let the effect take place instantly.
For instance, you have 1/3 of keeps, and lose some: Maybe grant a delay of 6 - 12 hours untill the new cap applies.
That way, if you fight for keeps, you dont lose instantly what you have achieved, etc.
I mean: Gains take place instantly, losses are delay by a few hours

Yes, that would make it possible to "crosscap" entrance possibilities, but it would generate a very good "feeling" for the overall connection of realm war due to connecting thing in a fluent way.

what we need is SI

dinj wrote:what we need is SI

SI solves some templating issues which arent even a problem right now. It will grant more stealthers top gear. Everyone else doesnt have problems templating ...

So yeah, what we need is SI, of course ...

what we need is more hot gurls on teh server

holsten-knight wrote:what we need is more hot gurls on teh server

Tracked & Open

I do not get why ppl keep on complaining about more battlegrounds... The main problem of all these "50, 4L2 => new toon" is that they just do not have fun in Emain. But whats the reason for that ? Is it because of all these high RR grps kill everything ? Is it because most of the people just have absolutely no clue what to do with there class in a 8vs8 fight?
I am of the opinion that many reasons mixed are the answer to that question.

Will an other battleground after 4L5 help to fix that problem? I really doubt that. Most of the guys would still just stay in there little bg and keep on zerging/adding/killing everything just to get some rps and to reach the cap of that new bg to start some new character after that or do some raids.

I am late to the thread but to the original poster I made a very similar thread over a year ago when I first came to Uth and it covered much of the same ground:
viewtopic.php?f=9&t=27025

As people in that thread pointed out it had been discussed many times in the past. First let me quote Simon then explain my thoughts:

Koleriker wrote:The main problem of all these "50, 4L2 => new toon" is that they just do not have fun in Emain. But whats the reason for that ? Is it because of all these high RR grps kill everything ? Is it because most of the people just have absolutely no clue what to do with there class in a 8vs8 fight?

This is a big one. I have had the opportunity to run with some very good Alb 8 mans on my Reaver and make 50+k in one night in emain and skill level and knowing each others play style and everyone being in TeamSpeak using /assist macros and everyone moving as one with the calls of kite / push and all switching targets at once.............made a much bigger difference then any RAs used. This group did not have a single RR11 in it and we didn't lose a single time to any mid/hib group we fought and after several hours everyone just logged due to lack of inc.

When people play together for years they tend to do well and while being high RR makes a difference its more about play style.

My point is if you are just capping out of thid 4L2 and have a good template................I am not saying you suck but you probably aren't as good as you think you are especially if you you don't have a regular group you run with in TeamSpeak.

Now with that said the server setting leaves a lot to be desired Old Frontiers are crap and the only reason you will disagree is nostalgia. Having to suicide/port to go from Emain to Alb/mid frontiers then rebuff again just to find action is idiotic. There is a reason Mythic redesigned the frontiers. Ages ago I played on one of the eden servers and when you died and /released you went back to the porter keep just like the bgs which sped up the action. Even tho there were 30 people online on Eden but 300 people on Uthgard the action was so much better on eden because it was a smaller area and lack of waiting on ports.

Go to emain.............run to Brief........run to DL..........run to mpk..........its so damn slow on Uthgard and it doesn't have to be.

Also another issue is getting from 4L2 - 5l0+....you can make good rps doing keep tasks/keep takes but as much as people whine we never have DF it can be impossible to get people out in the frontier and getting DF and getting some rps

You don't need rr11 to be competitive on Uth but rr6 is IMO needed and you do NOT need to run with Elite 8 mans to get rr6 here. The tools are available for you to get rr6 pretty easily you just have to do it.

riad wrote:"Another battleground just makes people reroll toons later"

If that is true, then none of you final-rvr'ers would have lost anything. If one rerolls with 4l2 or with 6l5 doesnt affect you at all.
If they dont go to emain, they dont go the emain. So why is that your cup off tea? What did you lose?

Are you serious? We wouldn't lose anything? What about ALL of the 4l2-->6l5 players that choose to go to the bg instead of emain? That's the bulk of the population in emain right now.

riad wrote:They just didnt spent enough time, so they dont deserve to have what i have

Since this is basically only a flame, coming from the high-realm-rank-society, i dont even take this seriously.
Sorry, but with all the flaws in past, bamans dot weaps for instance, what you achieved isnt much of interesst for the majority of the players. It is not like i want free rrs for people or something, but that point really isnt one as long as it is only the save your elitetists status.

I assume you're referring to my comment earlier. My highest RR toon is 6L3 - no where near considered "high realm rank society." I'm just not a whiner.
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My personal thoughts regarding the overwhelming popularity of thidranki vs. the highly neglected emain:

1) Emain has a MUCH larger area than BG's. As such, finding action takes longer. GETTING TO the action takes MUCH longer. Gaining RP becomes much slower. You could say thidranki spoils us and many people won't really give emain a chance to get used to it. I think this is the main reason thidranki is more popular than emain. Of course, this is just my opinion.

It is very frustrating to go to emain (especially on hib) when you first hit 4L2 lv 50. You are slaughtered very often, and the trek back takes a LOT of time. This is true for all realms, and greatly discourages players from continuing RVR at lv 50.

An obvious fix for this would be to create a much smaller RVR arena for all lv 50's. However, I seem to remember reading somewhere that in the years past this was tried, and did not work well. (I'm sure players started screaming for a larger area..)

2) Yes, there is a higher gap between new players and veteran players (R4 vs R11) This makes the fights less even. However, I think this is a MUCH smaller reason why people don't play in emain. If you don't play for this reason.... I don't know what to tell you. This is how live was, stop being a girl and wanting free handouts.

svperstar wrote: The tools are available for you to get rr6 pretty easily you just have to do it.

That sum's it all up right there. Listen, I agree that 1.5-2 years ago players had it a bit easier to get RR's, and 4-5 years ago people had it even easier with Agramon and all of the bugs that were being exploited. I think everyone on this server can agree with the Riad that for the new players that come to this server it is harder starting out. We all realise that, but what is frustrating is that you still are trying to make an argument for more BG's even after we pointed out that this EXACT topic has been talked about 500 million times on this forum. Not one single time that it has been brought up has a single GM every went, "Yah, you know they have a point..." The GM's have been pretty up front with what they intend this server to be. As a matter of fact, I believe you are going to be getting the exact opposite of your wish. Instead of more BG's you will see the lvl range and RR range decreased to be more "Classic Live Like."

Its not even that I disagree with you Riad. If they came out tomorrow and said that they were going to make it so you could hit RR5 in Thid I think that would be a good and fair change. Guess what? Its not happening. The same goes for Old RA's. The GM's want to go with Old RA's. They just understand that because they cant test them to make sure they are right that it would be a HUGE (understatement) amount of work for a set of RA's that you could never be sure were working properly. The same could be said for almost half the changes made on this server. Barrels and /xp off come to mind.

So why do we keep bringing up these topics when we know the answers? Its not like the GM's have been keeping us in the dark on these things. They have answered all of these questions time and time again. Yet every new player comes on here and thinks they are going to have the argument that is going to prove the GM's wrong.

So for the last time:

NO- They will not make more BG's.
NO- /XP off will not come back
NO- Barrels will not be coming back
NO- OLD RA's will not ever come

Outphaze wrote:1) Emain has a MUCH larger area than BG's. As such, finding action takes longer. GETTING TO the action takes MUCH longer. Gaining RP becomes much slower. You could say thidranki spoils us and many people won't really give emain a chance to get used to it. I think this is the main reason thidranki is more popular than emain. Of course, this is just my opinion.

I agree 100% Werewoof. I think this is the biggest reason people dont play Emain. I get it, and Blue also gets it. He has been working on an RvR rewrite for awhile now, and from what I understand it plans on implementing keep ports if you have a chain much like NF zones did. Hopefully this will alleviate some of the issues of such a long run back after a death.

I also agree with Svp's comment that its not as much about RR as it is teamwork. I have seen low RR solo players and low RR group's that did just fine because they worked together as a team and played well. It can be done. My hunter is only about 8 months old at most. So he didnt exist when it was so easy to just task your way up and when all the "easy" changes made it much faster for players to gain RR's. Like I said, I was getting solo kills vs. RR7+ players in Emain in my 3L's because there would be a lack of action (or to zergy) in Thid. Yes, 4L-6L sucked, but ALL high RR players had to do it as well. Why do you think you should get a free pass?

actually that you release into tk in bgs is a bug, you should have to wait for porters and port again after every release. And as far as i experienced the way things are handled here it will be fixed someday (so better prepare your QQ posts already).

Lets see how attractive bgs are compared to emain when this fix comes.

holsten-knight wrote:actually that you release into tk in bgs is a bug, you should have to wait for porters and port again after every release. And as far as i experienced the way things are handled here it will be fixed someday (so better prepare your QQ posts already).

Lets see how attractive bgs are compared to emain when this fix comes.

If abydos reads your post and you got a proof about it, i guess you earn a lot of dislike that post fans

Outphaze wrote:Are you serious? We wouldn't lose anything? What about ALL of the 4l2-->6l5 players that choose to go to the bg instead of emain? That's the bulk of the population in emain right now.

He was saying these people never went to emain in the first place so who cares if they reroll.

Gorim wrote:If abydos reads your post and you got a proof about it, i guess you earn a lot of dislike that post fans

well, blue already stated it in several posts, so don't kill the messanger

personally i dont care about bgs, they are a lot more fun than pve on the road to endgame rvr, so i enjoy my time there whenever i level a new toon. But it is just something to get done with otw to endgame rvr for me. But who prefers bg rvr should play there, i am the last to dictate others how they have to play