realac0 wrote:18+ thrust (for the 18 off block stun)

15 thrust for 6sec stun after block (Beartooth)
18 is detaunt

Ilerget wrote:

realac0 wrote:18+ thrust (for the 18 off block stun)

15 thrust for 6sec stun after block (Beartooth)
18 is detaunt

y sry, u'r right

@Calteen
believe me, u can't talk about Scout before have try it.
i come form 8l5 (close) ranger, i know pretty well what mean play your class (and have all the toys u use for kill the "lemmings scouts" that, on the other side, don't have ANYTHING, not even a stupid speed to escape or hunt).



u need try it ... all need really try Scout before talk on forum



Intimid stop'ed at 5l7
nek stop'ed at 6l0
dexx stop'ed at 5l1
... and some others

You cant even add properly, how you gona give any benefitial advices about scout play here?

lol, u killed me today (but not only now, happen'd lot of times) because u have always someone backuping your a.s.s.
last fight was first the shaman, and second (more important) Saosin.
u only talk crap because u'r not so idiot to not understand it.
what about the second inc? where i killed first saosn (on minstrel) and then u (adding me)?
so? u'ar not good addding too?
and what about u against 2 mincers and i killed u again? (is easy kill someone if realm mates are helping u ... u know?)

and what about the third inc when u burn camo, purge, for not kill me? lol

90% of times, if u kill me is because of adds (is easy play ranger, not only for the class itself, but for the crap rangers/ns's is amg backuping each others). Alone, i think u have killed me once or twice (not because i am good or kill u 1on1 ... but i just escape lol ... when i am forced melee mean i played bad and is correct i die)

u'r really a strange guy lol

for today, your /rel count are 3, for me just 1, and the only time where u got me was thx to Saosin (that was close to die too, 10%)

meet on emain
/bb

p.s.
btw i know i am not good adding, u have lot more experience than me till rank8 on Sneakeen, but i am doing my best, i will improve it!!!!

lol ur such a cutie
still bad

pweet wrote: ... how you gona give any benefitial advices about scout play here?

at least i am playing it to 6l6, i am not on my ranger farmin rank4 infs and rank4 armsmans ...

today i've see u fight only 1 time against a good challenge ... Infinitum, where u rel like a noob and left him at 30% (after your crit he was at 50%) ... i don't even have the time to shoot, u was already death lol

i think my advice are better than yours, a ranger that never even played scout ...

u not agree?

This is a joke post?
No need for a wall of s.hit, I don't need to go into the depth of forum trolling but your are entertaining somehow.
The thread opener wants to play add scout anyway.

Celteen wrote:This is a joke post?
No need for a wall of s.hit, I don't need to go into the depth of forum trolling but your are entertaining somehow.
The thread opener wants to play add scout anyway.

u flamed me Calteen, not me u

about the thread starter, i think he already undernstand how to spec Scout, at least to 8l.
problem will be learn to leech and kite, i am still working on it at 6l6 (is my first experience on full bow leeching char)

btw, really, not for flame, i'd like see you on scout if u plan to make it. maybe i learn something, or, maybe, u don't even hit rank5 after realizing how hard is play it compared to ranger.

I currently have a 43 scout in Wilton.
AT bow atm and looking at spec of

36 stealth
39 slash
42 shield
36 bow
As RR increases put points into bow from stealth for goal of 40 bow

Current RA's

LW1
PD3
MoB3
Idea behind these is to outlast my opponent. Passive so I can focus on basic skills rather than a RA dump battle to push the outcome. Been leaning towards toughness next but need to get MoS pronto. After speccing PD3 I dont notice a logical reduction in my enemies attacks. The math just doesn't add up or subtract up I should say.Sometimes it appears to delve correctly. Sometimes I get jack for reduction. So and So hits you with is axe for 100. No (-30) or the amount of reduction of actual resists + PD should add up to is not correct. These numbers used are arbitrary, and just an example.


I would like to hear from those that have actually played scout on uthgard. Am I wasting my time leveling this character? I hear so much about leeching to get RR. But isnt leeching seriously frowned upon and I will get black listed? Would it be possible to spec MoB and MoS then get stealther groups being block bot/MoS bot? I dont want an "I win" class but at the same time I sure dont want a "I lose class". I see all this talk about how scouts are the c*m rag of Albion. I understand it is going to be tough, but to only get RP's through leeching isnt really playing a class.

I wasn't looking to start leeching. I've earned my RPs solo or in groups. I remember leeching being something that was frowned upon as well.
I'm hoping someone has information on the bow specs vs damage. Basically why a 35 bow is viable, the max damage difference, etc...
Thanks for the discussions. Most have been helpful.

@meat
I havent played scout at least on Uthgard, but playing both solo Minst and occasionally Reaver (Shield), I can tell you at least after Thid you cannot outlast a viper3 assassin. If you neither kite nor kill fast you gonna die on dot poison + str/con debuff and autoattack mode.

u should already have all your answer from my previous posts

meat803 wrote:After speccing PD3 I dont notice a logical reduction in my enemies attacks. The math just doesn't add up or subtract up I should say.Sometimes it appears to delve correctly. Sometimes I get jack for reduction. So and So hits you with is axe for 100. No (-30) or the amount of reduction of actual resists + PD should add up to is not correct.

Many people do not understand the mechanics behind melee resists on uthgard.

From my understanding, you have 3 resists which affect damage mitigation in melee combat.

1) Armor Absorb (Leather=10%, RF=19%, Scale/chain=27%, Plate=34%)
2) Resists from items (SC, 26% if max)
3) Resists from RA (i.e. PD)

(I go ahead and group the melee spell resists (e.g. VW's) in the armor absorb category. I'm pretty sure it doesn't matter, but I could be wrong.)
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The 3 separate components to resists ARE NOT CUMULATIVE. This means that you do not simply add them together to get the total. Rather, they are applied independently, one after the other. Let me give an example to better describe my point:

Let's use a lv 50, fully SC'd scout, wearing reinforced and PD3.

WRONG CALCULATION: Total melee resists = 26% (SC) + 19% (RF Armor) + 12% (PD3) = 57%.
By this calculation you would absorb 57% of all melee damage; if someone hit you for 100 damage, you would only take 43.

CORRECT CALCUATION: (I will be doing a reverse calculation because this is easiest and fastest).

100 (initial damage) x .74 (26% SC) x .81 (19% RF) x .88 (12% PD3) = 52.74 damage. This is the FINAL/ACTUAL damage that you take. To calculate the total melee resist you subtract that value from 100. (100-52.74 = 47.25%). So the true final melee resist with a lv 50 scout, PD3, full SC is 47.25%, not 57%.

For comparison, a scout/ranger/hunter without ANY PD absorbs 40% of all melee damage.
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I will list the *true* value of resists that PD adds per point for archers. This table ONLY works with max melee resists from SC (26%) and reinforced armor (19% absorb). Casters WILL benefit more from PD than rangers/scouts/hunters because they do not use reinforced armor. (Their "true" resist values will be 74% of the listed value, rather than 60%).

PD1: 2% -- true resist= 1.2%
PD2: 5% -- true resist=3%
PD3: 12% -- true resist=7.2%
PD4: 19% -- true resist=11.4%
PD5: 28% -- true resist=16.8%


**NOTE**
There are also resists that deal with armor vulnerability to specific types of weapons. This can either increase or decrease your damage mitigation depending on the combination. If you are calculating your damage mitigation and it is not matching with the values in-game, this is probably the reason why.

Just do the opposite realac tells you and you will do fine.

this night was really a bad night for me

about scout spec and ra's, everyone that play it and find a way for a better performing ra and spec is free to tell me.
myself, haven't find any way to play it succesfull than 50bow and leech.