I'm currently RR2L1 and plan on finishing up 2L2 before XPing again. I have 3 unused points so I'll have 4 when I hit 2L2. I currently have FE2 and MoS2 and I'm undecided where to put these points.
Which RAs would provide more benefit for the next few levels before I start getting more in Wilton? I'm thinking about Aug Dex, PD, and MoB. I can get them all at 1 or get just one at 2.
Also I'm looking for tips on a good set of final RAs. I'm thinking PD4, MoS4 or 5, FE4, and Aug Dex 4. I'm working on a sniper spec.
Thanks.

from now on without high MoS u will not see any stealther . . .in brae most of them are ATing

mos5 purge2 lw1 ip2

PD is the most overrated RA and completely useless as a stealther with low RR (we had PD0 since rr1).
Rather spec toughness, you want to win stealth wars before you can think about attacking visibles.
Vs Viper3 assasins PD will not help you at all, but thoughness will + you want to survive till your second slam.

I would try mos4 though4 ip2 / mos5 ip2 purge1, which is 6l5 or 5l5 with though3. No one wanna tell you but you should just leech your way up to 5l5 or 6l5, with 4lx you will not kill anything solo on a regular basis anyway
Before the guard task fix you could make your way to rr5-6 easily by farming taskers / tasking yourself but staff decided to make it custom.
15 RA points for purge2 just to purge a 4sec stun is wasted as well as low rr.

39 shield
35 bow
35 stealth
44 pierce

I don't get why scouts spec 42+ shield, you can not slam from the front and need to get the side / back.
So back and side stun are enough and you can use lower duration stuns for faster restun and 6sec stun is enough for a crit shot, those other 3 seconds just hurt you due to 15sec longer immunity timer.

I need to make a scout and try if that will work, but imo it is waaay better than all those gimp 45 bow 42 shield lemmings, it's free RP for any purge3 stealther. You die as soon as one spots you without any chance.
But you will need S/C charge to be competitive that's why I gonna wait till SI for my next solo toon.

Celteen wrote:I don't get why scouts spec 42+ shield, you can not slam from the front and need to get the side / back.
So back and side stun are enough and you can use lower duration stuns for faster restun and 6sec stun is enough for a crit shot, those other 3 seconds just hurt you due to 15sec longer immunity timer.

I need to make a scout and try if that will work, but imo it is waaay better than all those gimp 45 bow 42 shield lemmings, it's free RP for any purge3 stealther. You die as soon as one spots you without any chance.
But you will need S/C charge to be competitive that's why I gonna wait till SI for my next solo toon.

Why can you not slam from the front? It is an anytime style.

It gets evaded / blocked / parried.
If you need 3 or more attempts for one slam you lose so much damage already that you won't win.

I grabbed LW1. I have 3 points unused and waiting. I will probably upgrade my MoS before anything else. I capped Brae so I'm back to XPing until Wilton.
I'm debating on 45 or 50 bow still. I found a post a while back that I can't seem to find again. It listed scout bow weapon skill and damage max at different specs. Anyone know where that is or can post?

Celteen wrote: ...

my post was too long ... so i edited
btw on my opinion u'r totally wrong because:
1) u hvan't yet experienced scout gimpness
2) block have here malus of 50% against dual wielders (on live got removed lot times ago)
3) 44 thrust will be evaded blocked parried 99% of times .. useless, and on the time u try to land the snare, u'll get destroyed to anything that is dual wield + if rangers/hunters, can shoot u to death while kiting even if snared ...
4) slam is MUST HAVE for lot of situations (multiple enemies, crit + slam + crit on low rr guys, re-slam after immunity timer after kiting etc etc) ... don't make the mistake to think at rangers, scout is totally different, if u go melee against a duel wield u have no time to think at backstun, strafe etc etc ^_^
5) side or back stun is too low timer, u can't crit instant after the stun, u must gain some range, or u'll loose the crit ... u must try it for understand what i mean)
6) pd is a must have because scout should avoid melee against anything that is dual wield (see point 2) ... Assasins on top of list ... pd will become lot useful against rangers and hunters that shoot u with bow (crit at start or while u kite) ... about visible, well, if not dual wield, your shield will block basically everything so is not a big problem
7) ... anyway, if i had the rp's, i'd like go to pd3/thoug3 combo
8 ) 35bow sux on scout ... is not a ranger (u'll understand your self what i mean when u will try it) ...
9) assassins must be killed with mos5 ... and only using bow ...

spec? after lot of respecs i realized that this is the only way to play Scout (till rank7/8):
50bow (for dmg output)
42shield (for slam, no need at all 50shield)
18+ thrust (for the 18 off block stun)
rest stealth

ra's?
mos5
dex3
fe3
lw1


... how play it?

leech, ofc ... u'r a full bow (50) archer ... and then:
kite, kite, and again, kite.
gain range (with slam and rr5 if they purge), restealth, then shoot again when they looking for u, or camp with critic shot while they enter on range of your mos5 ... re-slam and finish it
ALWAYS avoid melee , and if u can't avoid melee, engage (with endo 4 potions)
lot of situations, this will lead to win if not high rr guys that can use:

purge3 (>kite and if not range for stealth use rr5)
ip2 (>continue kite)
speed shout (>use a befana seal charge for break it)
bow while u kiting (>continue run and hope u don't die while kiting)
mos5 to locate u (>oh, yeah, they have this too ^^)

... who said op'ed rank 9/10 rangers? ...

... while with scout u don't have ANYTHING at all ^_^, only slam ^_^ (but this is a problem of the stupid settings of Uthgard)

progression for the future?

i'am still thinking on how change ra's and spec's.
what i'am sure is that i'd like to run:

mos5 pd3 thoug3 dex3 fe3 lw1 as soon as possible

then purge1 + first aid 1 (=rank 8l5) and continue play like i'am doing now (because i see no other ways for play it)

after have played ranger to 8l5 (close) and now scout to 6l6, i realized that they can be played full bow and be good (prolly, scout as full bow is a little better, even if u need lot of golds for self buffs and no dmg add/speed shout ... slam is very very good) ... but scouts can't be played hybrid or melee at all (main motivation is the 50% malus on block against dual wielders).

anyway, a rank10 scout, should be pretty cool to play ... scouts need lot more rp's for be decent than rangers (on Uthgard)



...

my 2 cents
bye
realac0


p.s.
if we was on live, with new settings, your spec was prolly the best

if u strafe properly there is no chance to evade/parry at all. 5-6sec stun is enough for a crit shot if ur reaction is faster than 0,5sec...

pweet wrote:if u strafe properly there is no chance to evade/parry at all. 5-6sec stun is enough for a crit shot if ur reaction is faster than 0,5sec...

try it, then u'll see what i mean ...

u can't instant shoot after u slam (or side/back stun), u need around 1 sec to w8 + if u don't even move and shoot from same position where u stun, 90% of times u'll get rupted before shot (from your enemy spamming anytimer just when stun is end )...

hard to explain, easy to understand if u try a scout ... that's why after the stun u need 1 second of range (moonwalk or walk back etc) before switch to bow ... this help u usually land 1 critical + 1 rapid fire (rapid fire not always)

about the strafe properly, prolly i am not the best on strafe, but i know how to ...

the problem, with scout, is that U DON'T HAVE THE TIME do to anything on melee against dual wielders, expecially if not pd3/thoug3 + af75buff up. Slam/Stun whatever u want, is only for make burn purge, sprinting and hoping reaction time of your opponent is not instant ... your stun will be purged 99% of times ...

... repeat, u need to try it for understand how gimped is the class, is hard to explain.

but the problem is not of the scout itself, the problem is, again and another time, the settings of the server.

new ra's = purge on 15 or 5 minutes timer
pd but no leg weapons
new ra's but still malus 50% block against dual wielders
new ra's and rr5 ra's but no archery revamp or, at least, the self buffs + speed shout ...
new ra's low hp's, no overcap bonus etc etc

etc etc

is always the same story, chars like rangers get benefict from every aspect of the uthgard settings, others become incredible gimped (not only scouts)

before they revamp archery, just the fact that block malus got removed, made the scouts become really good and viable class ... later with new archery system, they got all buffs and self buffs ...

old settings with old ra's = purge on 30min timer --> shield useful, melee still gimped
new settings with new ra's = purge on 5/15 mins no block malus against dual wielders --> shield VERY USEFUL, lot of scouts sped 44 thrust 35bow ...
new setttings with new ra's and archery revamp = all like last point + all self buffs, damage add and speed shout ... scout prolly best archer on no buffbots server

UTHGARD?

just lol!!!

recent scout video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MCYJz63ip94
times ago, was even better because now slam is on 5 sec timer ...

p.s.
and soon, with the thread on bug where ppls are bumping OLD IMMUNITY TIMERS (1 min), scout will become even wrost (yeah, is possible ahahaha). Peoples don't realize that old immunity timers was set for old purge on 30 minutes ... so, soon, we will have 1 minute timer immunity against ppl that spec purge2/3 every 15/5 minutes ...

Scout isn't gimp Ellehn, just not OP like your other archer...

realac0 wrote:8 ) 35bow sux on scout ... is not a ranger (u'll understand your self what i mean when u will try it) ...

RonELuvv wrote:
**I found the post from Sethor an old GM for Uthgard. He posted the following chart of bow dmg based on several factors. He used a Saracen Scout, but the dmg variences will be the same for all archery classes. As you can see the cap dmg's from spec'ing 50 in bow as opposed to 35 in bow are not great for the amount of points spent. On a crit shot the cap difference is 56 and on a normal shot the cap difference is only 28.

5.5delay bow 16.5dps rr5 saracen scout
50bowspec: critshot-cap = 1070 | regular shot-cap = 535 | WS (using charge) = 1562
45bowspec: critshot-cap = 1052 | regular shot-cap = 526 | WS (using charge) = 1515
40bowspec: critshot-cap = 1034 | regular shot-cap = 517 | WS (using charge) = 1469
35bowspec: critshot-cap = 1014 | regular shot-cap = 507 | WS (using charge) = 1423

35 bow > 50 bow...

Outphaze wrote:

realac0 wrote:8 ) 35bow sux on scout ... is not a ranger (u'll understand your self what i mean when u will try it) ...

RonELuvv wrote:
**I found the post from Sethor an old GM for Uthgard. He posted the following chart of bow dmg based on several factors. He used a Saracen Scout, but the dmg variences will be the same for all archery classes. As you can see the cap dmg's from spec'ing 50 in bow as opposed to 35 in bow are not great for the amount of points spent. On a crit shot the cap difference is 56 and on a normal shot the cap difference is only 28.

5.5delay bow 16.5dps rr5 saracen scout
50bowspec: critshot-cap = 1070 | regular shot-cap = 535 | WS (using charge) = 1562
45bowspec: critshot-cap = 1052 | regular shot-cap = 526 | WS (using charge) = 1515
40bowspec: critshot-cap = 1034 | regular shot-cap = 517 | WS (using charge) = 1469
35bowspec: critshot-cap = 1014 | regular shot-cap = 507 | WS (using charge) = 1423

35 bow > 50 bow...

y, i know about this, but, again, i said Scout is not Ranger (or Hunter) because even with this little low variance, Scout don't have better place where to put points.

What i mean is that a Ranger can put points into pathfinding or cd or single line and gain decent bonuses ...
same for hunter on buffs or spear but ... a scout?

put points into thrust? 40+? he will never be able stand melee anyway because of the TOTAL NO DEFENCE against any dual wielder (u have no idea how many times on ranger vs scout the shield block once, or 2, while ranger evade 3/4 times ... even strafing, and while Scout try slam/style, get destroyed).
About damage, u really think 40+ thrust (or slash) on Scout can have a decent dps output?

Scout can put the points into shield ... sure
ask any 50 shield Scout around (maybe with mob3, i've run this lot of time too for higher chance to block and brutalize).
read what i wrote up, scout will continue to block NOTHING, get evaded/block/parry all and the only useful bonus on 50shield is the fact that guard work well (combined to mob3) if u play grp'ed.

i've respec 5/6 times, ra's and spec points, nothing worth more than 50 bow ...



... but, well, this is my experience, i will be happy see and try new spec's and ra's when u will really rvr with a scout.

paper daoc is lot different from the real performance when u are at emain.

about the strafe for hit back:
even ppls like smoover, if find a decent opponent, not hit from back so easy.
this mean on a 10 swings, u'll hit 2/3 from back, the rest will be front (last fight i got againt sneakeen he side stunned me 1 time all the fight melee, and i was able to reslam him again). Problem is that, on this time a Scout try to hit from behind, any dual wielder totally DESTROY the Scout, there is not time at all to play strafing.

noobs that stand on face and let u strafe like hell are not a problem, but i assure i can kill these guys even with 50bow kiting ...

I have 48 scout and the only chance u have in melee is if ur block is OP vs that class (savage or any 1h)

Sure if you just go add / run away from every solo 50 bow might be the solution but with 6lx there should be room for more advanced tactics ^^
Hint: If you can not crit shot during 6sec stun with your 5.5 bow, there are other bows out there
Dex3 fe3, PD are all fail RA's, what you need is ip2 to survive till second slam