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Postby Xares » Mar 15, 2007 15:51

Strafing is a part of the game and i think it isnt a buguse. I make it on mobs or on enemys, a reaver can spam levi with strafing. Lag abuser are small kids, but sometimes your connection is lagging or something, so you cant control your lag but you can make lags.
Strafing is better then to stick or face somebody and click on some buttons (my opinion)...

btw stop cry about this "abuse" thing, abuse like "qtd in tower"... OMFG what will come next? "Baseline-stun abuser... pls ban them!" Thats stupid...

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Postby Raven » Mar 15, 2007 18:33

I just tested something

'You are strafing in combat and miss' only appears about 1% of the times..
Strafing in combat should result in miss, it hardly does tough ..

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Postby Sethor » Mar 15, 2007 18:41

I just tested some applepie. It tastes very good 99% of the time oO
When you strafe (move sidewards only) you will always miss you
target.
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Postby Gerbald » Mar 15, 2007 23:47

Sethor, you are an Idiot.

You know it better and still only post bullshit and OT nonsense.

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Postby panachier » Mar 16, 2007 03:24

i think when you are in duel and use side or back style you know you are bug abusing.

if you need video of bug abusers to jail them it would be easy to get. there are players that are famous to abuse this bug.

when a char has no other stun than side or back style you know he abused bug when you got stuned. and when he does that in all his fight you know it's not an accident.

and yeah i agree with gerbald on this way but who is not stupid? certainly not me ... am i wrong?
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Postby Sethor » Mar 16, 2007 05:48

Gerbald, if you believe that it is bullshit to state that you will always
receive the message "you were strafing in combat and miss" and then
actually miss when moving sidewards, I might make a small video and
post it as evidence if needed which would actually proof in addition that
you are only trolling and flamebaiting as usual.

There are a few types of strafing:

strafing1: move ONLY sidewards left/right --> always miss
strafing2: move sidewards + forward/backwards --> you will never miss

lagstrafing: resizing chatwindow in combat to produce lag which will "lagrun"
you around 3-5 horse lenghts

strafing1 is just game mechanics and working as intended
strafing2 is just game mechanics and working as intended even though it
may produce lag caused by a too slow server

lagstrafing: somehow unfair and almost uncontrollable to fight with it. Even
if you have such a fight where your opponent seems to lagstrafe you will
never be able to proof it, because there can always be placed an excuses
for lag in terms of too low server performance or just lagspikes.

All strafing types may be avoided to ~90% chance if you move
backwards and try to face your opponent manually! Of course
you will now tell me again that im talking bullsh** or whatever. Guess
what, I don't care, because I know that you can avoid such strafing
when you just practice a bit.

Considering this the whole discussion is nothing more than obsolet and
yet another witch hunt topic of our pro-whiner league :roll:
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Postby Gerbald » Mar 16, 2007 08:48

There are ways to strafe and not miss and Sethor knows it.
Hint: Dumbly pressing the strafe key the whole time is not the way to do it.

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Postby Xares » Mar 16, 2007 10:24

Gerbald you can make backstyles with strafing and dont miss your styles. I think on sidestyles also, but its very difficult to make sidesytles with strafing.

@panach, strafing in combat isnt a bug, just some poeple cry about it and the freeshards (offical serer, too?) make this "strafing in combat and miss thing"... strafing is a part of the game, play another game if you dont like it!

btw strafing is called "skill" on live, something you will never have :P
just a joke ^^

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Postby panachier » Mar 16, 2007 11:28

@xares

nice post, that bring us back to the topic, nice job.

so as i read, it is usual way to fight. for me it looks like bug to side style or back style when your enemy face to you...

what's the statement of the staf on this point? is it allowed, it's a part of the game. or should be avoided but we can't do anything against that?

PS: i played counter strike few years ago but stoped to play cause of straf. how can a game allow such way to move..?
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Postby Demiurgo » Mar 17, 2007 22:15

I know how to strafe side/back (but i dont have any decent back/side style :() and i know how to avoid it (it's not so hard really) so i think that it should be better to leave it like it is now, also because if you disactive the side movement you always take all backstyle strafe (leviathan and annillation really worst than side :D) and you will limitate a lot the player movement
What i tried to report is another bug i think worst: sometime when the target is not in view or too far, i dont read these written on log and when im in range/in view i can't attack immediatly and i have to wait like i gave an hit. I think almost everyone who got slow weapon found this bug and it's really sad when some enemy strafe or just run and you can't attack him never because of this

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Postby Raven » Mar 28, 2007 16:45

Sry for rezzing dead topic but just...

I mindlessly strafed in every single way i could imagine, mobs, players, chars , even different realm , comps , clients, client versions ...... for AGES

I got the message ONCE with my lvl 1 Disciple wth

I have NO idea where you got your messages Sethor

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Postby Sethor » Mar 29, 2007 05:17

Within the chatwindow, my young padawan :P
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Postby Gerbald » Mar 29, 2007 09:29

If you want to do sidestyles while fighting face to face, dont use the strafe keys alone.
Run forward until you are standing inside of your opponent, turn to one side, /face and hit the side style button.
You will never get the "missing because strafing" message that way.
You can also use the strafe/turn/forward buttons together.
So many ways to work around the "miss because strafing" and they all work.
With slow weapons, you can style, strafe, face, style again and it works too.

Of course Sethor did not know this.
Of course i am a liar.

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Postby Sethor » Mar 29, 2007 13:42

Zomg, Gerbald when do you please begin to read what other peoples write?
A few replies before I listed all possibilities of strafing and which will work
and which won't.
Of course you may tray to run through your opponent and hit him, but this
will fail in 100% of your attempts if your opponent knows how to avoid being
strafed or ran through. And please don't tell me again that it wasn't possible
to avoid getting strafed...it is for sure!
In addition there is only to say that you really should have learned by now
that strafing is a natural movement...even running through your opponent.
If you don't like it; well feel free to cry some more rivers, but please stop
complaining over and over about a thing that is a legal movement option
even on live servers.

And Razzer...this has nothing to do with skill deficit compensation or whatsoever
and it would be really nice if you could to be honest stfu by calling something
an exploit that isn't. All these rumors about bad bad strafing exploiters
are nothing more than....right, rumors and even Mythic stated it as a
legal movement option.
So, if you believe that it is just such a bad bad exploit then turn off all
the frackin movement keys while being in combat.
What you will generate by this will be DAoC ultra light PvP. Maybe you
could even implment some autoscripts that kill the player and cut his
exp by 50% (ignoring the lvl barrier enabling downleveling) if he dares
to hit a movement key in combat.
I believe this would help all who you are on your holy "mäh mäh mäh
he strafe-stunned me - burn the witch" crusade.

Hope you don't state this "bat of reality" as a personal offense, because
it isn't. It's just that I absolutely don't get it why even a DAoC-experienced
staffmember jumps onto that exploit-whining-train oO

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