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ZaiQQ wrote:Is there a thread that doesn't end with ranger being OP?

Well to be fair Zai, you know how powerful they are. Remember all those times that I killed you on my ranger on your champion, bone dancer, and sorc.... Oh wait, thats right, I mean do you remember all those times you DESTROYED my ranger on your MUCH lower RR characters?

Been reading through live patch notes and it is all very confusing trying to compare things that changed when we are aiming for 1.69 for server and 1.89 I think for RAs. More curious on why 1.69? I do not think there is a perfect patch level as some things Mythic fixed for balance and then went over board and revamped later.

1.56-1.62 = Si, Foundations 1.63-1.65, & TOA 1.66-1.69 (Classic = TOA?)

It just gets very confusing as we have some things which are obviously not in patch level such as rr12 which is a 1.72 feature yet we got rid of all melee gems etc which are in the 1.7-1.72 patch change range.

So what did having a TOA patch give us as far as RVR (1.66-1.69)
-Druid bear pet -Thane direct dmg line increased -Thanes get access to RAs MOM and WP -Clerics get RA WP -Cure mez for pets: animist, necro, bd -Archers get sureshot -Increased hunter and ranegr buff line -Dragon fang nerf from 9 seconds to 5 seconds
-Aoe buffs for: druids, shamans, clerics -Buff shearing implimented -Focus shell spells for: druid, shaman, cleric
-Animist release clump -Hunters call of hounds -Bards got access to MOC

There is no perfect patch or RAs imo, but later on in DAOC many things changed such as LA nerf due to retarted dmg, scouts got self buffs,cleric rr5 got boosted, levi nerf as well as many others both good and bad. It is very hard to pick and stick to a patch level, but dont see why a toa patch level was chosen.

i think we target 1.69 for settings because it was the last patch with old frontier maps

RonELuvv wrote:Just curious how high your MoS is there Svp? You seen me without camo up at about 400 range the other night at MMG. My biggest question is how 2 times last night when I was SPRINTING away from you at 400-500 units away how you caught me to hit me? The first time I was at AMG, I seen you at around 350-400 units away, I knew I had camo down so I unstealthed and started sprinting and yet you catch me from behind and hit me. Then the exact same thing happened at MMG. So just curious how you suddenly are able to move faster then sprint speed on your infiltrator? So twice last night your MoS + detect hidden was greater then my MoS 4 so please no more QQ's about MoS from you.

I have MOS2. More for movement speed then anything else. What is the name of your hunter? You keep taking about fighting me but I have no recollection.

As for moving faster then sprint speed I didn't see that on my end. I ping 160-240 from Uthgard depending on the day so I chalk it up to lag. My guildie who lives in Germany pings 18 im jealous. You wouldn't believe how often I miss PA, when the person is standing perfectly still on my screen. "Target not in view" also if I get PA off if the person is moving I almost never get CD. Same message.

Also you seemed to forget our entire previous conversation and my issues with camo vs detect hidden so I don't see the point in repeating myself.

First my hunter is Zacknamid. Second, dont tell me that you dont understand the point of my conversation. You said in a previous post on this EXACT thread that we debated about that Detect Hidden is broken here. You also claimed that MoS is unfair. My comment was that TWICE a couple nights ago you seen me at the same time I seen you. Now if you have MoS2 and I have MoS4 would you please just admit that A) you have no clue what you are talking about when you say Detect Hidden is broke, and B) just because a player has high MoS doesnt mean its I win vs assasins. Also, maybe next time you will look up on this exact same thread to see what I am referring to.

Just a refresher of some of your previous quotes:

svperstar wrote:No argument from me that MOS as it currently works is total BS. An Archer can see me from an ungodly distance and even if I drop every RA I have right now and get MOS5 on my inf AND the fact that Assassins have Detect Hidden it will not matter as the Archer will have Camo up. Why do Archers have Camo when Camo was specifically put in the game as a counter to See Hidden which no longer exists?

I dunno the answer. Also I know the server is classic and all but redoing the Archer lines would get a big +1 from me.

As much as part of me would love to have See Hidden on my inf to get revenge on the MOS5 rangers at AMG I know all it would do is KILL the Archer population on Uthgard since Rangers would no longer be able to 3-4 shot every assassin the game. They would just stop playing all together.

svperstar wrote:I said it before and I will say it again. I will give up viper1/2/3 right now if there was no MOS in the game. It IS an "I win" button more for rangers then hunters but yes MOS5 hunters pop me all the time from huge distances. Why do you think I camp MMG? It forces hunters to get close to me if they want to pass. Out in the open they can go right by. Even so at MMG I have been popped from behind by Rangers plenty of times.

You said "natural predators". As of now archers have no predator's at all. Ranger in emain kill assassins then run away and wait for Camo/IP to be back up, go back fire more arrows......go hours without dying.

I see no evidence that detect hidden even does anything on Uthgard.

svperstar wrote:Detect Hidden/MOS are all invalidated by Camo so saying "Assassins get this/this/this" is meaningless when Archers get Camo and assassins do not. I NEVER see Archers on my Assassin even with Detect Hidden I am pretty sure it does nothing on Uthgard.

The sole exception being when Archers go through one of the milegates.

Archers always have camo up. If they don't they just run away till its back.

svperstar wrote:
You say Rangers are easily detected with camo down. This is flat out not true. Even with camo down bow rangers with MOS5 see me long before I see them and move away accordingly. They run and hide and wait for camo to be up then come back.

Does that help you figure out where my comments came from? You say that Detect Hidden doesnt work and that MoS is OP'd yet you killed my RR7L1 hunter with MoS4 twice when you only have MoS2. In other words, you are full of crap and essentially you want to be able to kill everything and expect that nobody should be able to kill you. Boo hoo, a MoS5 ranger killed me. That is soooo unfair. Nevermind the fact that you somehow in both fights managed to out run me when I had about a 400-500 range on you and was sprinting...

1.80 is the target for RAs with certain RAs having a custom implementation. Some mechanics use 1.80+, some use 1.90+, some use 1.70+, some use 1.69, some are custom, some are missing.


1.69 is the requisite for things not already on the custom list, not RA related, generally needing to effect balance (though not always) to be nominated by player for potential change.



At least that's what it appears to me.

Force wrote:1.80 is the target for RAs with certain RAs having a custom implementation. Some mechanics use 1.80+, some use 1.90+, some use 1.70+, some use 1.69, some are custom, some are missing.


1.69 is the requisite for things not already on the custom list, not RA related, generally needing to effect balance (though not always) to be nominated by player for potential change.



At least that's what it appears to me.

So for be simple, we dont know what target uthgard XD

RonELuvv wrote:First my hunter is Zacknamid.

oh. lol.

RonELuvv wrote: Second, dont tell me that you dont understand the point of my conversation.
Does that help you figure out where my comments came from? You say that Detect Hidden doesnt work and that MoS is OP'd yet you killed my RR7L1 hunter with MoS4 twice when you only have MoS2. In other words, you are full of crap and essentially you want to be able to kill everything and expect that nobody should be able to kill you. Boo hoo, a MoS5 ranger killed me. That is soooo unfair. Nevermind the fact that you somehow in both fights managed to out run me when I had about a 400-500 range on you and was sprinting...

Ok now that I know who you are I know why I saw you. You were standing DIRECTLY in front of the amg and passed through the mmg which is how I saw you. Most people don't do that unless they have camo up.

Pro Tip: If you are going to stand directly in front of a mile gate or pass though one maybe you should have camo up. Camo completely removes MOS/Detect hidden from the equation. So what what exactly are you complaining about?

Also. I do remember you running from me now. You turned and ran away stealthed I unstealthed and hit sprint before you ever dropped out of stealth. If it looks funny on your end it might be if you are German with a low ping. As an American pinging high I look laggy as hell because I am. Believe me I would trade you in a heartbeat. I have missed PA so many times that I just assume I will miss it and I am amazed when it hits.

Anyway now onto you as a player. I remember killing you when my inf was like 4Lx when I was still using Potions of Might for s/c and a Kobil ring for D/Q...lol......and I was in a 99% template that didn't even cap melee. These days I run a legion cloak for 75 s/c and as well as 3 other of the best buffs in the game. Also I am in a cap all no-xbow template and every single piece is MP. It was ungodly expensive.

I am not sure the difference between you and Intimid who is not that much higher rr then you but he is a much much tougher hunter. Maybe you should farm some better gear or get better charges/change up your spec/RAs. Ask intimid what the difference between you and him is.

Now as to you saying I want to be able to kill everyone and not have anyone kill me, this is crap. I never said that. What bothers me is that it can be impossible for me to even make it through AMG in high pop. I have no form of camo so the second I get anywhere near the amg I get a bunch of arrows in my face. Archers don't have to worry about this. They put up camo and unless they CHOOSE to get in a fight the can go anywhere they want. I can't. Get me?

svperstar wrote:k now that I know who you are I know why I saw you. You were standing DIRECTLY in front of the amg and passed through the mmg which is how I saw you. Most people don't do that unless they have camo up.

Wait.. i know someone said just the other day that Detect hidden does nothing on uthgard... now if i could only remember who posted that...

svperstar wrote: I NEVER see Archers on my Assassin even with Detect Hidden I am pretty sure it does nothing on Uthgard.

Zack has MOS 4. You have MOS 2, and you saw him at the same time he saw you? Damn broken mechanics.



It's possible that lag played a part in the two fights he was talking about. I'll fraps the next one when im around.

svperstar wrote:Zack has MOS 4. You have MOS 2, and you saw him at the same time he saw you?

Thats what he says. If I remember correctly he was moving towards me, saw who I was and ran away.

I played infil and scout and trust me, assassins have better "NIGHT VISION". In Brae both went with MoS2 and my infil was able to see stealthers from MILES away, my scout was unable to see absolutely ANY stealther until they were OVER me (luckily my stealth was good aswell and they couldnt see me )

Forget about the sprinting thing. I'm sure lag played a part but on my end both times I seen you I knew I didnt have camo up so I unstealthed and sprinted away, both times you caught up. It happens, no big deal.

Now, back to what my original point was Svp. You blabbed on and on about how high MoS is OP'd and how detect hidden was broke, I made my comments to show you that high MoS is not an "I win" and detect hidden does in fact work. You have MoS 2, I have MoS 4, yet we seen each other at about the same time. Get it?

Now, as far as the whole "I remember beating you at 4L, and you should get advice from Intimid, etc.." Dude, I dont need your advice. First off, you are about #20 or below on my list of well played infiltrators and since you never played a hunter I will not be needing any advice from you. I play with Intimid and talk with him almost every night in TS, so if and when I want advice from him I will be sure to ask. I will admit fully that Intimid plays hunter better than I do, but I would also say that I am probably the next best hunter for solo play.

Yes, I was near AMG with camo down and yes I did try and stealth through MMG with Camo down. Were you not just complaining in one of the MANY threads I posted above of yours about how those OP'd rangers run away and hide for 10-15 minutes waiting for camo and ra's? So now a player doesnt do that and you essentially call me a noob by offering me "pro tips". Well, here is a pro tip for you Svp, first off I have killed you on that Inf just as many times as you have killed me on my hunter. When I have camo up and all RA's I dont think you have ever beat me on my hunter. However, when I'm lacking any of the above I would say you beat me most of the time. Assasins are hit and miss on that hunter due to the high evade rates vs 2h weapons. I have fights in which I barely have to use anything, then the next fight they whip my butt because they evade 75%+ of all my attacks. It happens. I have over 850+ solo kills out of around 2200 total kills. I think I do ok for a little hunter. Also, I'm pretty sure you have never even given me a close fight on my ranger (Zacknafein in case you forgot) so maybe you should talk to Duna or Dexx and get some advice from them on how to play your inf better.

svperstar wrote:

svperstar wrote:Zack has MOS 4. You have MOS 2, and you saw him at the same time he saw you?

Thats what he says. If I remember correctly he was moving towards me, saw who I was and ran away.

Thats what we both say. The first time I was camping just to the north of the gate in stealth with no camo and no RA's. I seen you come through the gate, we seen each other at the same time (proving that MoS2+detect hidden roughly equals MoS4) and I tried to get away. The escape failed and I died. Then after this when coming back from MTK and knowing how you love to camp MMG I went towards MMG in stealth. As I got near the gate I slowed down inching forward. You popped up on my screen in front of the gate on Mid side. I turned and tried to run away, failed and died again. Proving once again, that your MoS2 + detect hidden pretty much equaled my MoS4. That was the whole point of my post. You said (and I posted your dumb comments as proof) that Detect hidden was broke and that MoS was OP'd. I gave you 2 examples in which you overcame high MoS and that detect hidden is obviously working as intended.

Now, like I said before, just admit that you were wrong in your previous post about detect hidden being broken. How hard is that to do?

RonELuvv wrote:Also, I'm pretty sure you have never even given me a close fight on my ranger (Zacknafein in case you forgot) so maybe you should talk to Duna or Dexx and get some advice from them on how to play your inf better.

Bad comparison. I am 6l4 you are 7l1. Your rr11 ranger is much closer to Duna/Dexx in rr.

RonELuvv wrote:Now, like I said before, just admit that you were wrong in your previous post about detect hidden being broken. How hard is that to do?

I could be wrong but when I made my original comments I had no MOS at all. I specced into MOS2 and it has helped. Wether its Detect Hidden or MOS or a combo of both I dunno but I DO know that when I only had Detect Hidden it did nothing. Vs camo which makes you totally invisible unless I stand on top of you.

Also getting back to the subject at hand. You keep talking about me QQing and saying I wanted to kill everything with no chance of dying blah blah and I responded.

svperstar wrote:Now as to you saying I want to be able to kill everyone and not have anyone kill me, this is crap. I never said that. What bothers me is that it can be impossible for me to even make it through AMG in high pop. I have no form of camo so the second I get anywhere near the amg I get a bunch of arrows in my face. Archers don't have to worry about this. They put up camo and unless they CHOOSE to get in a fight the can go anywhere they want. I can't. Get me?

I notice you didn't respond at all to this.

svperstar wrote:

svperstar wrote:Now as to you saying I want to be able to kill everyone and not have anyone kill me, this is crap. I never said that. What bothers me is that it can be impossible for me to even make it through AMG in high pop. I have no form of camo so the second I get anywhere near the amg I get a bunch of arrows in my face. Archers don't have to worry about this. They put up camo and unless they CHOOSE to get in a fight the can go anywhere they want. I can't. Get me?

I notice you didn't respond at all to this.

welcome to a rather high-pop server at prime time...why should it be possible? these people are camping amg to kill people...why should any1 get through? (except for grps of course, as they are too strong to be rangered!)...