rangers can hit me from the front with their sidestyle (+stun). But it's a SIDEstyle. Please fix this issue asap.
And no, i did not attack them in melee mode. it's not the afterevade style.

Nice Report .... NOT, its due too the game mechanics possbile if they strafe here on Uthgard.

Won´t be fixed anyway.

I have a special name for this common exploit: The Uthdrop

I have had people on uthgard tell me that they used to do this to people on live all the time, however, I did a lot of meelee 'training/experimentation' in duels in my live days many years ago and recall specifically that /face could not be effectively circumvented with any amount of dancing that we tried.

Possible reasons this is different on Uthgard:

1. Live may have forwarded which characters were /facing who to clients. This would mean that the only time that /face could be circumvented would be in the first round of latency from when /face is chosen to when the clients of opponents are made aware of this.

2. Live may have had lower client-server-client round-trip latency. By a margin for most players significant enough to make the 'Uthdrop' much more difficult to exploit or near impossible.

3. Live has or has had ghosting of sorts. My understanding is that ghosting is effectively a way to 'correct' for incorrect position/facing information from 'the past' on another client. Uthgard has eliminated ghosting, which may have the unintended consequence of making the 'uthdrop' easier to exploit, since there is no 'fixing the past' going on.

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What troubles me most about this particular 'bug' (if you want to call it that), is not that it does exsist, but that people choose to exploit it. It tells me that there are a number of people who play on uthgard who are more interested in winning/farming by any means possible (exploit or not), than having an honest fight.

My suggestion is as follows: if a ranger exploits the side position stun against your latency, return the favor with an exploited slam-drop.

Personally, what i like to try to do, is get an honest stun landed through my opponents front arc defenses, then move to a positional snare, or perform a combination snare or reactionary snare.. basically my goal in meelee is to snare the opponent in a legitimate fashion (I could lag-drop a snare just like they are trying to lag-drop a stun but then I only get RPs and no satisfaction) the result of which is that they can not exploit the uthdrop because they can't move fast enough to exploit it.

Regards,
Eric

Don't worry about rangers, you just need to accept they are the alpha-class. The rest of the classes will be nerfed/are nerfed and they will continue strong.

mdocod wrote:1. Live may have forwarded which characters were /facing who to clients. This would mean that the only time that /face could be circumvented would be in the first round of latency from when /face is chosen to when the clients of opponents are made aware of this.

wow, this seems to be a VERY good way of fixing this...even if you wouldn't say you tested that /face couldn't be side-styled on live this would be a very good way to avoid side or back styles...and would also allow casters for melee-/face their targets and avoid the annoying run-through-out-of-sight-thing...

vote for this to be implemented on uth...problem is, that the clients would have to be changed, which would make it impossible to do this...

other idea: the server needs to flag a player's /face-target...and if some1 lands a side/back style on a target then the server should check for the targets face-target first...if side-styler and victims face-target are the same -> fail on sidestyle...

Learn to counter these players.

Stop being 100% reliant on anytime styles and reactionaries! Not everyone wants to watch their character let RNG get the best of them.

Jezzmin wrote:

mdocod wrote:1. Live may have forwarded which characters were /facing who to clients. This would mean that the only time that /face could be circumvented would be in the first round of latency from when /face is chosen to when the clients of opponents are made aware of this.

wow, this seems to be a VERY good way of fixing this...
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other idea: the server needs to flag a player's /face-target...and if some1 lands a side/back style on a target then the server should check for the targets face-target first...if side-styler and victims face-target are the same -> fail on sidestyle...

I described exactly this "other idea" last month in this thread : viewtopic.php?f=32&t=30367&p=292514&hilit=face%20server#p292514

But i'm almost sure that "face" command is not even send to the server. Need to test this during next LD. When you have red square, if you can /face, I think that it means that it's not sent to server

HulkGris wrote:But i'm almost sure that "face" command is not even send to the server. Need to test this during next LD. When you have red square, if you can /face, I think that it means that it's not sent to server

wrong imho...i'm sure there's some things that are sent to the server AND done locally...so if you can face while LDing, that only shows, that /face is evaluated on your client...it might still be sent to the server...

a comment from the staff on this would be nice...it wouldn't be perfectly livelike, but it would fix a "bug" that mythic has never been able to fix...

there is just a single question :

does gm`s wanna punish that exploidabuse or not ?

if they want, they find a way........

Make it as everyone else here, abuse the gamemechanics whenever you can and use every exploit you find.
Sensless to cry about Side- or Backstyles form the front. Strafing and lagruns are the way to go. Sad but true.

Simplest way to fix it: Do not play solo!