Hello,

I would like to make a suggest for uthgard daoc. Could we have a zone a lot like Thid for players that are level 50 4L2 and have it last for people 4L2 to 6L2 or something? I think it would be a lot more fun then just going to emain, and/or darkness and it would allow players who just ding out of thid to have a similar place to still play. I find myself getting to level 50 and 4L2 then quitting my character and making another since emain is so ****** with players ranging from 4L2 to 11L0.

Could we have a beta or try it out for a month or so and see how it goes type thing?

Thidranki already distracts enough of the high-end RvR.

Just be happy we have this custom set of BG's at the moment. . .

As stated several times in the past - - - No!

Yes this would be a BG after thid, but like thid for players who are lvl 50 between 4l2 -6l2. Emain just isnt cutting it. where a 4l2 player is going to go up against the highest of realm ranks.

im hoping the answer will be yes so when i get to 50 i can play on instead of just starting over and making another character again so i can play thid.

the game should be for everyone not just those who play a lot and are considered "high-end" rvr players.

Sorry but it will never happen. Emain can be considered the 50 BG. You can try to incentivize players to play in other zones by raiding their keeps so they come for you.

The answer will be no, since this has been asked before. A couple of comments tho:

1) No one forces you to go to Emain, you can get action in Midgard or Albion - especially if you show some persistence, enemies will come. The other frontier zones have in the past been used for PUG RvR, but that stopped for some reason. Still - if you get a group, raid a keep, there is a good chance that you will get inc.
2) Other groups had to start with low RR as well. Look at 'Prime' (Midgard), they more or less all started with 4L2 a little while ago and are already putting up a good fight at times. Same goes fore 'Built To Last' (Albion) - also started here, essentially from scratch, and are rr7+ now.
3) People are already sticking way too much to BGs because they don't have the determination to be competitive in Emain. That won't change with another BG, because at the end of the day this is not so much about realm ranks as it is about a certain mind set. Emain has been claimed by the 8vs8 crowed and your chances of prevailing there won't increase with a few more realm points if you are not willing to put together a player pool and just work on your team play.

So, bottom line is that if you want PUG RvR, be part of the community and help create it. Build groups every night, or even two if you must, and go out and just have fun with it. Make some noise in the enemy frontiers and attract other PUGs. There will be some slow nights and some where you get your ass kicked by the established groups, but that is all part if the game. Eventually, it will pay off.

It was just a suggestion, while I disagree with you guys I figured it wouldnt hurt much to try it out for a month or heck even a week.

That's the problem its just not fun. Shame


Nevertheless I still disagree. A shame the answer will always be a no. Thank you for replying though.

Uthgard's vision isn't "fun" for everyone - It is to represent DAOC as best as we can as it was in 1.69. Fun is a byproduct of that vision.

Shame. thanks for making that clear.

It's also a bit of a circular problem here, apart from the lack of determination:

There are no enemies for a low ranked group because low ranked groups have no other low ranked groups to fight. Or in other word, someone has to start doing it, go out and show other PUGs in Midgard/Albion that there is a point to building a PUG. An additional BG will just mean that people with RR 6 will moan about the RR11 enemies and reroll another BG twink. But the OP is a prefect example why this is not working - of course it is easier to roll another twink than putting up with the challenge of building a group, going to a zone other than Emain and trying to find or generate some action.

Uthgard has ~900 players during peak times - where are they? Certainly not trying to create a more casual RvR scene in the non-8v8 zones. At best, you have ~40 people in Emain doing 8vs8. That leaves a pretty big chunk of players that would be available for zerg fights, keep action or PUG roaming. It's just not happening because no one wants to step up and get stuff going. As much as I dislike Dottormetallo for rolling his zerg through Emain in the past, that guy knows how to bring people together and create action.

Ive tried going out to emain with my healer and then i tried with my hunter. The problem with the zerg is it kills action. Not too mention if you do finally find 8v8, people are just horribly mean who are out there either incredibly mean or arrogant not very helpful for someone who is learning to be better. or they lack patience and its easier just to make fun of someone. going out there with a stealther can be fun, but it takes patience, and theres nothing wrong with being patient, but unfortunately when you come up against other stealthers most of them are high rr and will destroy you.

i get what your saying, but you cannot control the other people who arent in emain.

i guess ill just have to keep rerolling so i can play in thid forever lol

Also unfortunately i work all day so i can only get on at night to get casual action in Thid. and im on american time zone (eastern) so peak hours for the server is while im at work. i understand the majority of the server is european so thats not an issue really.


its not so much about finding action as it is finding a BG thats like thid, the zone is just a great design, and not so massive like emain and other places brefine..ect

i dont want to work to make emain better because i dont believe it could ever be as good as thid is, but thats just my opinion so ill just keep rerolling so i can play thid forever. where i dont get hopelessly owned by higher rr players. or better yet less of my realm's people arent as mean in thid or degrading.

its either keep rerolling or play Ultima Online. lol

Well, that is an entirely different problem then , since the US population is still very small - too small to sustain any real RvR, I guess. But they can't put in a BG just for you folks I am still a little puzzled as to way there are not more americans playing on Uthgard, but perhaps the latency is an issue? I mean, even Mark Jacobs knows about this server, so it can't be a European secret ^^

Well I know theres a lot of people that play on the ultima online free server and they are all american for the most part. there peek is about 800-900 in primetime as well, however its an entirely different game.

im not sure why more americans dont play uthgard, the time issue isnt as big of a problem for me as the whole emain thing. i still think an additional BG after Thid would be beneficial or at least interesting to try out for a week and see how it goes.

but it will never happen no matter what, just wishful thinking.

its like abydos said, this game's vision isnt for fun. it just might be"fun" as a byproduct. personally i like to play games because they are fun, when it ceases to be fun either i will only play the fun part or ill go to another game.

I agree, there should be challenges, part of a game being fun is that it is hard or challenging, but i dont see the emain problem to be so much challenging as it is just an issue with with the bg itself and the vast amount of rr's.

The Live US servers are still running.

That's the difference.