And again....
The classes balance is given by the original creator of DAoC, Mythic.
Please guys, consider this as a fact and stop asking for possible non-
live like class changes or balancing-issues, because we are playing
and want to play DAoC and not a modified version which might lead
into even worse balancing issues.
If you can't live with this situation feel free to whine on VNboards or
just quit the game for hmm maybe "TheSims", but if you are already
argueing about DAoC, even the "TheSims" might lead you to ask for
balancing due to your NPC neighbour having the bigger TV

Greets
Asa

i don't really see a problem with the classes here... SI classes seem quite a bit uber to me in terms of damage output but all in all it's ok - i think the most differences result in Realm Ranks, and that's nothing a GM or Admin could change you have to do it on your own

Sethor wrote:And again....
The classes balance is given by the original creator of DAoC, Mythic.

<watch your language>
The Class Balance on Uthgard is not given by Mythic.
There are several things that work different from Mythic Servers and there are classes and abilities not implemented or implemented in another way than on Mythic live Servers.
That means there are classes and realms who perform worse or better than Mythic wanted them to perform.
Go and see if you can fool someone else, Sethor.

Sethor wrote:(...)because we are playing
and want to play DAoC and not a modified version (...)

<and again>
We are already playing a modified Version of the original DAoC on Uthgard.
Even in Patch 1.80 there were TOA Boni, MLs and Artifacts. There were Pets with special abilities for Pet Classes. Damage from Archers and Assasins was higher. There were BuffBots in the game. There was a bonus in range for shooting arrows from high positions and a penalty for shooting uphill. Animists with Mushrooms and Bombers and Necromancers too.

i understand why the staff doesn't read anymore the forum...

THIS IS NOT A FLAME THREAD !
Please ?!

@Thraxia I Dont think your RR can differ very much in wilton , and even in emain Skiltvakten and Isen Vakten wouldnt be much trouble according to your theory , seems there actually are some minor, maybe major issues here

I dont see the point in sticking to the live servers,
If something is unbalanced or unfair on live, why not fix it ?
Why not make Uthgard better than live ?
It can be done , you wont get the big RvR , but it can be great fun RvR..
As melee class , bumping into a Cave spec shaman is Certain death.. and certain death isnt that fun, innit ?

We can separate from the silly rule of sticking to live, buffbots are allowed on live, Epic armor for lower than 50 are allowed on live, so why shouldnt some classes be tweaked ?

And @Pana no senseless posts , PLEASE ?!

Sethor wrote:If you can't live with this situation feel free to whine on VNboards or just quit the game for hmm maybe "TheSims", but if you are already argueing about DAoC, even the "TheSims" might lead you to ask for
balancing due to your NPC neighbour having the bigger TV

So i have to watch my language?
So what about Sethor, i was replying to?

That "Maybe some slight changes would not hurt" would win the poll, even the lousiest fortune teller could have told you before.

There is no perfect balancing possible. But before making their own balancing changes, uthgard staff is working to make everything to nearly live 1.80. And this is the way to go.

Balancing is a hard task and should not be based on short view nerfs and giving bonuses to people who had a bad day in RvR. Where this ends you can see on life server. All classes there have more and more the same possibilities.

A perfect balance isnt possible i know, but you can try thats for sure

Some minor changes is winning the poll.... but they're never going to come , we know that , cuz then the other realms will complain about it and so on

But still , its more of discussion than to whine for nerfs, i dont think you understand that, This is actually a senseless topic, its not made for any other purpose than to discuss.

And my opinion is that there are some classes that are a bit or a big bit unbalanced, i dont like using the word Overpowered (only on cata classes)

What is yours ? <<< Topic Purpose

@Lillian it is like that - some classes beat the hell out of others and get screwed by other classes. It's meant like that, you cannot beat every class with every other class if the opponent plays smart. PA + CD will take care of most solo casters, for example - at least if they do not have purge

Just my opinion.. certain classes will just do better against others than other classes.

thats the point thraxia!

you're right

a full tank won`t win against a shaman, but the most other classis are killing the shaman ... so there are no problems.. no BIG problems maybe some missing abilities for some classes e.g theurgist ;p ...

/offtopic
@Gerbald :keks:

/ontopic
To be more precise. Yes, Uthgard is kind of a modified version of DAoC, but
still based on states of the game meaning the complete skillsystem relies on
the one we can find on live-servers. Furthermore balancing is NOT related
onto the sum of currently implemented features related to what Raven was
asking for...

I for one would like the Insta PBAE Disease's of the Cave spec shammy timer slightly reduced

To ask for a longer reuse timer of a certain class you would have in addition
to modify ALL reuse timers of spells, meaning 3.6sec baseline nukes and so
on...

Uthgard already has got some additional rules which are not live-like. Take
a look on the strafe-system (casters are immune) or the grey-killing thing.
That what you mean to be unfair means just a fair thing to the other one
meaning even if the staff wanted to modify recent classes who would decide
on the changes and on how to change?

The whole discussion is only leading into one thing - major whine. Player of
class 1 asks for shorter reuse timer. Player of class 2 asks thatfor for more
AF and more base DEX. Because player of class1 received shorter reuse
timers and class 2 received more AF and base DEX, all healing/buffing classes
get styles with an anytimer stunstyle grothrate 0.9, because SI classes are
uber and the healing/buffing classes are not able to solo...

Understand what I mean? So please just stop these "I want this and that"
topics. They are just disgusting and a waste of time

Greets
Sethor

@Sethor /offtopic
Will you read the posts instead of replying after the first sentence for CRYING OUT LOUD ?!?!?!
And stop flaming Gerbald , damnit , he just said his opinion , no need for you to chase him with a spear !

/ontopic

I agree some classes should just get whacked by the other, but there should never ever be that 'certain death' thing, sometimes i just get unlucky to get the caster with the ueba reflexes and stuns me and nukes me to death, but Insta disease , run , dot , run , dot , run , dot doesnt seems like ueba reflexes and pure skill , even a five year old could kill a small tank group with a cave spec shammy..

There SHOULD be a way to kill a Subterrain Shaman even with a tank, even if it is extremely hard, it has to be possible in my point of view ...

I know that casters kill tanks easily in general, as it fits the magical triangel of MMO :

... Caster > Tank > Stealther > Caster ...

But still , it should be able for a stealther to kill a weaker tank with any luck , or for a caster to kill a stealther, so why shouldnt a tank be able to kill a caster with some luck , skill and strong will ?

Im not asking 'I want this, I want that' @Sethor
I only would appreciate gm action on the class balance << My opinion
This is not a pleading asking begging flaming thread, this is a DISCUSSION THREAD were we discuss and share eachothers opinion !

Get what I'm trying to say So no need to try and act the smartass around here ?

@Razzer I hardly dare say what bothers me most, because if i do , ill just get flamed by the kiddies who play the class ....

But yes, Chars can be specced totally different , especially casters, you cant compare ice wiz with an earth or fire wiz, you cant compare nature druid with regrowth/nurture druid, theres a difference between a druid and a dr00d (:D)

Also , Clerics are a very hard point , They can be able to defend themselves to a minimum by speccing Smite , but they just dont spec it after the major smite nerf ...

Theres nothing weird about having two the same classes of around the same lvl on one account , since you can spec them totally differently

But ill try to make a small list, just filter out the flames ill get thrown at me
-I deleted list, just read on

It's just the simple stuff, no major nerfs , just making it a bit more possible to beat a specific class with melee or casting, since some are hardly touchable with melee or spells

If you have any comments on the list, please refer to the friendly and polite, dont act like im a four year old asking for major nerfs and laugh at my face ... again ...
I'll be delighted if you share your vision in these points

/sarkasm on

dont act like im a four year old asking for major nerfs and laugh at my face ... again ...

http://uthgard.the-bart.org/modules.php ... 89&start=0


so maybe 10 but the result seems the same


sry but this whole thread is so senseless, plz smb delete it.