I was just on the ranger like 5-6 days ago. I will admit that it hasnt been alot lately, but I certainly do it when its dead enough.

Because people just want to win, they don't actually want the challenge that should come before/with it. Challenge is boring, I just want the RPs. The actual server status perfectly fits in this scenario: two months ago Hibernia was the flavour of the week, Hibernia had all the relics, only Hibernia could gather full groups in Emain. In the same period only Midgard was roaming in the green lands (and I will say it out loud so there's no misunderstanding: NO ALBION GROUPS AT ALL WERE ROAMING).
Then, like a magic spell, as relics are all back to Albion you see FGA popping out their teleport keep and spreading in Emain like a disease. How many FGA are roaming nowadays? 4? 5? 6? Even Rare started roaming again (no offense in this, just stating facts - I don't mind nor do I care about the reasons that brought you guys back in the game, I'm glad there's more people in endgame RvR and that's it). What about Hibernia? As far as I know only Requiem are occasionally roaming. Maybe Rinnegati. But never more than 1 FGH in Emain at the same time. And you know what? People are rerolling in Albion! Just right now, as we speak, people are leveling up their alb chars. Can you believe it? With so many enemy groups roaming it would be wise to pick chars in the underdog realm so that everybody gets the action --- is this happening? Did that happen when Hibernia was the dominant realm? Did that happen when Midgard was the dominant realm? Hell no, people just want to win as easily as possible. So there you go, relic jumpers.

Why is this happening? I got many ideas: I guess some just want to relax after a whole day spent working (and losing is no relax at all), others reroll out of curiosity (due to the enemy realm having all the relics --- hmmm, let's try and see why is it that good nowadays!), others reroll because their friends are doing it and they want to play with them and so on...

I won't talk about 'realm pride' in here even though I think it's the main point of the topic: once, on live server, you were 'forced' to choose a realm and to stick with it forever (or until you decided to delete everything and start again somewhere else - or spending more money for a new account), so you were 'happy' to serve it regardless of the happenings, and numbers discrepancies wouldn't be so hard (even though one realm was the underdog it wouldn't completely disappear just like it's happening now to Hib). Rerolling because of relics would be just crazy, you would stick with a realm rather than with the relics. That's what happens on Uthgard instead. One might think that since you don't pay a fee to play you should be able to switch from a realm to another accordingly to the situation/need just like as you say... The truth is that the very opposite is happening, and people just stick to the easy realm for the easy victory because why bother. Why bother trying to face a 10L team with a 4L team if you don't even have relics. Why bother building up strategies if you just can stick to the same team setup proven to be the easiest to play. Why bother when I can just switch from the losing realm to the winning realm?

Sidenote: server's primetime population is ~900 people, only ~50 of these are having RvR. You get my point: too few people doing RvR. If only 1/5 of these were in Emain in this very moment there would be so much action you wouldn't want to log off anytime soon.

Juri,

I would not panic about the change in power between realms. I have seen Midgard and Albion in the same situation and they rose back to power. Enjoy the challenge of these hard times and hopefully it will encourage those who remain in Hibernia to unite and work together for the benefit of the realm.

I know there are some who like to follow the relics but there are also some who like the challenge and comraderie of playing on the underdog side. It may take time for Hibernia to get the relics back. It took the Albs a long time but they eventually did. I personally do not like to play on the side that is always winning. I am a casual player so I am not talking about 8v8. I can only judge who is winning based on the relics, who has df the most and which side is most active in the bgs.

But the point is I have seen each realm have trouble and have also seen them come back strong.

Wow Ixtab, I wont even argue with you on most of your post because I agree with most of it. Just a couple minor points, before Midgard took all the relics the Hib's had them for like almost a year. During that time the Hib RvR population didnt increase much if any at all. Also, according to the Herald, the RP distribution (which I know includes BG's) has it 33% Hib, 33% Alb, and 34% Mid, so to say there is no Hibs out is a bit misleading, but I know what you mean and you are right, Hib tends to be the one realm lacking in visi RvR for the most part.

You are also right in that alot of people hop to where the relic's are at. That has always happened. Albion had the most people when they had all the relics. Hib then got the most people (not in RvR though) when they had all the relics. Midgard was the same way. Now we are seeing a bit of an influx back on Albion. This is the way it is and everything you say is right to an extent.

However, that does not take away from the fact that I know of multiple people, myself included, that hop from realm to realm not in search of relics, but rather in search of action. I know we might by the minority, but that doesnt mean that it doesnt exist. I played on Hib when we had no relics. I did go to Midgard when they had all the relics, but I didnt do so because of the relics, I did this because my ranger was 10L0 and I wanted to try a new class and new realm for a change of pace. Midgard lost them all and I was still playing Midgard.

Like I have said a few times earlier, I wont refute what you said since it does apply to the majority of players on this server, but to say that nobody switches realms to sustain action is just flat out not true. There are some that do this and I count myself as one of these players.

Zyviel wrote:Juri,

I would not panic about the change in power between realms. I have seen Midgard and Albion in the same situation and they rose back to power. Enjoy the challenge of these hard times and hopefully it will encourage those who remain in Hibernia to unite and work together for the benefit of the realm.

I know there are some who like to follow the relics but there are also some who like the challenge and comraderie of playing on the underdog side. It may take time for Hibernia to get the relics back. It took the Albs a long time but they eventually did. I personally do not like to play on the side that is always winning. I am a casual player so I am not talking about 8v8. I can only judge who is winning based on the relics, who has df the most and which side is most active in the bgs.

But the point is I have seen each realm have trouble and have also seen them come back strong.

I know, I know, I'm not saying that Hib will never rise again, I'm trying to say that the 'operating system uthgard' is not working... At all. Still, the only way to fix these issues on a free server would be by relying on people's common sense --- pfffffshhhhh talking about common sense in a game, I must be out of my mind.

RonELuvv wrote:Wow Ixtab, I wont even argue with you on most of your post because I agree with most of it. Just a couple minor points, before Midgard took all the relics the Hib's had them for like almost a year. During that time the Hib RvR population didnt increase much if any at all. Also, according to the Herald, the RP distribution (which I know includes BG's) has it 33% Hib, 33% Alb, and 34% Mid, so to say there is no Hibs out is a bit misleading, but I know what you mean and you are right, Hib tends to be the one realm lacking in visi RvR for the most part.

You are also right in that alot of people hop to where the relic's are at. That has always happened. Albion had the most people when they had all the relics. Hib then got the most people (not in RvR though) when they had all the relics. Midgard was the same way. Now we are seeing a bit of an influx back on Albion. This is the way it is and everything you say is right to an extent.

However, that does not take away from the fact that I know of multiple people, myself included, that hop from realm to realm not in search of relics, but rather in search of action. I know we might by the minority, but that doesnt mean that it doesnt exist. I played on Hib when we had no relics. I did go to Midgard when they had all the relics, but I didnt do so because of the relics, I did this because my ranger was 10L0 and I wanted to try a new class and new realm for a change of pace. Midgard lost them all and I was still playing Midgard.

Like I have said a few times earlier, I wont refute what you said since it does apply to the majority of players on this server, but to say that nobody switches realms to sustain action is just flat out not true. There are some that do this and I count myself as one of these players.

I'm glad there are people like you. But again, you're part of the... 3% of population that does that? Most people just don't give a flying ******, I'm sorry but that's it. As soon as I found out Alb got the relics and that so many alb groups started roaming I started recruiting some people again to see if we could build a FGH. The results? Who's still playing DAoC on Uth is on Albion now: 'Alb is my new house'. Yeah buddy, sure. I guess I'll just give up and wait for the time when Hib will have all the relics and a bunch of NoO Leech will start popping out again.

i don't really get why people follow the relics anyway, i mean it is 10% with all 3.

Ok you definately notice the difference in 8vs8 poolgrp fights, but it is not that the grp without relics has no chance anymore.
And in Pug fights i think you don't notice that much of a difference.
I would always log the realm with the chance for more inc (if i had the option xD) instead of the realm with more relics.

But on the other hand it is nice to have these population shifts from time to time and that people seem to care about the settings at all.

You already gave a perfect explanation of following points:
- relict followers
- low rvr participation

If I would like to have toons in all realms, I would of course xp mostly, when the realm got all relics => easier to xp, and easier to find groups => faster getting 50

So this is only natural.

Juri,

Your have some valid points, but really I don't think they are important? Who cares if people follow the relics? You even said yourself that relics change over time.

Speaking of which....I'd just like to state that mid has the same number of relics as alb at the time of this post.

For the "zerg event" in which alb had all the relics....mid won! So this is a problem with alb having all the relics and the relic jumpers....but lost to a realm with no relics?

Next is 8vs8. Who is an 8vs8er that relic hops? Please name someone, or some guild. I can speak for the vast majority here and say 8vs8er DO NOT CARE at all about relics. You play the realm you have the highest RR, or can make the best comp, or can field the best players, or can get the most action.......or can dodge the best group . Usually a combination of all of those.

Next is solo. Do solo's care about relics? I don't know for sure...I'm not a soloer. Most solos are sneaks though...and I think as a sneak you try to play the best class (ranger). Lots of people out there playing scouts because they have relics but the class sucks? No...

Last worth mentioning...maybe small man. This one is hard to quantify. I can see a small man deciding they want to make new characters with a few friends and they pick the realm with relics, or the largest population so they have more people to level up with. So this one is a maybe.

holsten-knight wrote:i don't really get why people follow the relics anyway, i mean it is 10% with all 3.

Ok you definately notice the difference in 8vs8 poolgrp fights, but it is not that the grp without relics has no chance anymore.
And in Pug fights i think you don't notice that much of a difference.
I would always log the realm with the chance for more inc (if i had the option xD) instead of the realm with more relics.

But on the other hand it is nice to have these population shifts from time to time and that people seem to care about the settings at all.

Hmm you can reroll hib or alb holsten?

concerning relic hopping i really don't see a problem...at least not relics change every 1-2 months, which they currently are...why?

about 75%, my guess at least, only have 1-2 toons they play really often and these are usually in the same realm...they may level with some friends or guild mates with other toons even and in other realms and they may surely pick the relic-holding realm just for the benefit of better healing, more dmg, whatever...these players are usually mostly pve based or prefer BGs, so they don't really have a large impact on normal rvr...

then there's like 10-15% of regularly logged in players that do rvr or keep raids...they'll either decide by loyality (i for example will always prefer doing something in alb over mid or hib) or by action...only albs out? rvr-ppl may go mid and grab some kills...only hibs have some keeps claimed? raiders may choose to log alb or mid to raid some keeps just for mere raiding, because they like raids!

that leaves like 10-15%...a part of these are excessive pve-players that have like 5-7 or more level 50 toons...prolly on all realms...not because they are bored easily, but because they are "gatherers" and wanna do everything that is possible in the game...just like making toon after toon just to have played every toon...these will surely decide for the realm with relics for levelling...but as soon as rvr in BGs or end rvr is involved they'll decide for convenience (action, good grps, bad grps etc.) and not for relics...

to sum it up: for levelling relics may have an influence as ppl that have the freedom of choice will choose to level in the realm with relics...but ro rvr the relics are imho not important in terms of rvr-participation....strength in "fair" fights, yes...10% more healing or 10% more dmg MAKES a difference...but there won't be soooo many more ppl in rvr as many of here say...

Top wrote:Next is 8vs8. Who is an 8vs8er that relic hops? Please name someone, or some guild. I can speak for the vast majority here and say 8vs8er DO NOT CARE at all about relics. You play the realm you have the highest RR, or can make the best comp, or can field the best players, or can get the most action.......or can dodge the best group . Usually a combination of all of those.

I don't know, I know two people I used to play with a lot in the past that are on Albion now. The rest is not playing anymore. (I tried to tell them to regroup in Hibernia but they said no, providing weak answers)
True, 8v8 usually don't mind about relics - but then why isn't any alb group picking their mid (or even better, their hib) toons to try to balance things out? The answer is in my last couple of replies.

Also I would like to point out that I'm not forcing anybody to play this way or that way, it's a game and everybody's free to play it how they want (unless they somehow harm my own game). In the end I don't really give a damn - and that's why I'm just randomly playing with my NS (quitting after 15 minutes because I got bored by the insane amount of adders and unfair players but that's another issue I guess). People like roaming in Emain for the landscape rather than for the incs I suppose.

[EDIT] You asked me some jumpers name. When hibs had all the relics NoO Leech was one of the most infamously known guild that popped out. I'm sorry, I can't list many more because usually they are 4L guilds fresh from Thidranki that try to own Emain with the relics only ending up in an epic dead-meat fest & disappearing as soon as the relics go, so I forgot about them. Good guilds that do not need relics raised up their rank and skills regardless of the relics status and made theirselves a name.

Juri wrote:

Top wrote:Next is 8vs8. Who is an 8vs8er that relic hops? Please name someone, or some guild. I can speak for the vast majority here and say 8vs8er DO NOT CARE at all about relics. You play the realm you have the highest RR, or can make the best comp, or can field the best players, or can get the most action.......or can dodge the best group . Usually a combination of all of those.

I don't know, I know two people I used to play with a lot in the past that are on Albion now. The rest is not playing anymore. (I tried to tell them to regroup in Hibernia but they said no, providing weak answers)
True, 8v8 usually don't mind about relics - but then why isn't any alb group picking their mid (or even better, their hib) toons to try to balance things out? The answer is in my last couple of replies.

Also I would like to point out that I'm not forcing anybody to play this way or that way, it's a game and everybody's free to play it how they want (unless they somehow harm my own game). In the end I don't really give a damn - and that's why I'm just randomly playing with my NS (quitting after 15 minutes because I got bored by the insane amount of adders and unfair players but that's another issue I guess). People like roaming in Emain for the landscape rather than for the incs I suppose.

Tbh theres a fair amount of 8v8 groups out from each realm atm, mid actually has the less 8man groups(Yea i know more groups in general, but im not talking about the zerging and adding mids here)

It's amazing how many times the same senseless issue gets recycled if you frequent here long enough.

Oswaldo wrote:Hmm you can reroll hib or alb holsten?

I have a 46 (4L3) bm in hib, sadly the rest of DG split as some are already 50 rest is still in thid somewhere between 43-47 and we are bad at doing something alone without the rest.

I zerged once with my bm in hib quite successful (after spaming broad for 2 hours some people showed up and started to listen to a level 46 bm and it was fun). But its not something that i want to do often, and what 8vs8 fg in their right mind would invite a level 46 bm... and i hate pve so much, so leveling is not an option.

Top wrote:For the "zerg event" in which alb had all the relics....mid won! So this is a problem with alb having all the relics and the relic jumpers....but lost to a realm with no relics?

This can only be explained with the awesome (and very handsome) leader in mid

No to be honest if i would not have called for a blue sunday (and announced it in as many guild forums as possible) mids would have been only half the number at max.
The people know what to expect on a blue sunday. It was hard work, but now people know when a blue sunday is announced they can show up, it will be fun.

talking about relics, wouldnt it be nice... just for a little while. mid own theirs, albs own theirs. hibs own theirs. no bonus for 1 realm and not the other. and u'll see the relic hopper settling down on there prefered realm.