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Jaysun wrote:

Caemma wrote:Omg a ranger blaming grouped mid stealthers! this is hilarious

And look in lfg: "Joint: Need more rangerrrrsss to group!" xD

Not as hilarious as a 6 man stealth group zerging down solos.

this was because the Mid stealth zerg was killing solos.. we needed to pop them.

I think I'm going to have join a stealth group since they are soo prevalent at AMG and DF.

fun times though!

Are you telling us full group hib stealthers are only attaking other stealth groups and leaving the solos? Actualy that's hilarious to hear from a ranger that zerging solos is hilarious, you guys are adding and zerging anything that moves.

imamizer wrote:

RonELuvv wrote:We call ourselves the Four Horseman

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imamizer wrote:

Jaysun wrote:

Caemma wrote:Omg a ranger blaming grouped mid stealthers! this is hilarious

And look in lfg: "Joint: Need more rangerrrrsss to group!" xD

Not as hilarious as a 6 man stealth group zerging down solos.

this was because the Mid stealth zerg was killing solos.. we needed to pop them.

I think I'm going to have join a stealth group since they are soo prevalent at AMG and DF.

fun times though!

Are you telling us full group hib stealthers are only attaking other stealth groups and leaving the solos? Actualy that's hilarious to hear from a ranger that zerging solos is hilarious, you guys are adding and zerging anything that moves.

please dont add me into 'you guys' as I dont, I haven't spent any real time in AMG on my Ranger.

most 8 man zerg solos all the time it sucks but its done. I just had a Mid 8 man zerg my Ranger right after I killed something in Thid yesterday, it happens. What do you do? /release. And move on

Listen, I understand that everyone wants to play like they want to but this is RvR NOT 1v1. Personally, trying to 'solo' at AMG is just asking to get run over. Having visited AMG; most of the 'solo' Visibles are Thanes, Reavers and Champs with perhaps a Skald and rr9+ Mini thrown in there. No way any Ranger that isnt rr6+ is going to win a fight vs a Thane, Reaver or any shield tank unless the latter are played by blind Ewoks.

I'm not defending the zerglings but Rangers/Shades teaming up-3-4-to kill a Shield class isn't 'zerging' IMO. "Zerging' is beating down a class that you normally can beat-even if its 50/50-solo.

If a duo or trio picks off soloers then said soloer needs to get more help, imo. This morning I kept trying vs a Thane in Thid knowing that I had small chance of beating him because of: A. shield and B. SLAM-> twohander-DD->dead. Still did it because no one else was around; I kited a bit got close one time but in the end died everytime simply because how Shield negates my greatest damage, Bow.

This IS a realm game not a 'hey I'm solo and I got a 'rep' to play solo even though I play a Visible class that very few other classes can beat 1vs1-so leave me alone' is asinine thinking. Again we each want to have fun but can a Mentalist or Eldy running out to AMG not think he/she will get not perfed in the face or an arse full of arrows?

As an Ranger/Archer our targets are limited to fellow stealths-yes lots of them I know-Mages, Light tanks-but even most of those have shield spec-and non-shield specing classes. How many of them do you see running around solo?

I know your comment wasnt directed at me Jaysun, but just to add to what you posted I would like to say that I'm not saying people have to play 1 vs 1 in any way shape or form. I always tell people to play the way they want, BUT you have to accept the consequences of said behavior.

As a simple example, lets say you run with Saosin, Fading, and Oasis to AMG and you camp there all afternoon at AMG with them and you guys kill anything you come across. You add 8 man fights, you kill solo's, and basically you play red is dead true RvR. Now, the afternoon wears on and action slowly dies down. Now its just you out there because the other 3 logged off to go out or go to bed. Now do you think the people that come back out that you have been killing 4 vs 1 are suddenly going to think, "Oh, he's solo now so I wont zerg him..." Wrong. This is a small community and we know who adds/zergs and are only recourse is to do the same back. Which I have found most people seem to think red is dead is great till they get rolled by heavy #'s and it happens to them. I once had a Death Row ranger after weeks of farming AMG in stealth zergs send me a tell on a random night complaining that he got added and said that is the reason he groups. I just laughed and told him that if he is going to group up and kill people they will do the same. He cant expect to go out one night and get fair 1 vs 1 fights when for weeks previously he was adding and zerging everything in sight.

Sighden is a perfect example of this. I like Sighden and I always got along fine with him and his whole crew. I came over to Midgard on my hunter and I would always see Sighden, Paja's, and a few others roaming around with them and I assumed they wouldnt kill me with their #'s since they knew I wouldnt add their fights etc. I was wrong. Sighden went out of his way to kill me every single time. I still didnt add in their fights because Paja's and the others he ran with normally didnt add me. After months of this I finally said screw it. Now anytime I see those guys in a fight I add in EVERY single time. Why wouldnt I? If they are going to kill me 2,3, 4 or even 8 vs 1 then why wouldnt I return the favor?

Play the way you want man, and dont let anyone tell you how to play in RvR, but remember that people will remember you and how you play and will retaliate in kind. Realise, even though I play 95% of the time solo and never add in I still have fg's, small mans, etc that add me and zerg me. That is part of the game. I just write those names down in a lil notebook next to me and next time I see them I do the same. What goes around comes around.

The ONLY time I'd group is if another group is out and we can have *insert John Williams Muzik* STEALTH WARZZ


On classic we ran a Stealth group that hit other groups-visibles too-and did quite well we'd even kill FG's of visibles(yes it can be done) and we'd have incredible fights vs Alb and mid Stealth groups on Gareth.

Listen even when playing my VW in THid and I'm part of a FG, 5 man what have you and they run over a solo, I dont attack him. I understand I still get RP's; I try to tell the group to leave the solos alone and-for the most part-they do.

I'm talking about a class that we as Archers have almost no chance in beating? Do you attack Shield classes thinking you can beat them-unless they are rr1-2, possibly 3- other wise its just a quick trip back to my house.

If I'm in a duo and we attack a Shield class is that 'zerging'? I'm curious as to what the definition is. Most if not ALL visibles will attack me on sight.

Jaysun wrote:If I'm in a duo and we attack a Shield class is that 'zerging'? I'm curious as to what the definition is. Most if not ALL visibles will attack me on sight.

By some peoples standards yes.

I never counted 2v1 as a zerg, but some do. There is no set in stone definition.

As a ranger, a shield class is definitely not your bread and butter, but they can be killed by a ranger (solo). Several factors are involved, and they have been pointed out in multiple threads.

Talent + awesome template + luck = win more often than not
no talent + awesome Template + luck = win some, lose some
no talent + average template + luck = lose often

As Zack stated, duo/trio to kill a solo if you feel it necessary, but when that solo comes back with 4 to beat your duo/trio that you used to kill him solo, don't get angry. I recall seeing Zack (on his ranger) revel in fighting a 3 man infiltrator team when they played. He sometimes beat all 3. Often beat 2... occasionally killed just one, and maybe near the end when they quit playing, he lost totally. I talked to him in ts during this time and he loved it. He had a much better template that i had. He played his ranger much better than i did. When they hit me 3 v 1 i was lucky to kill one.

Jaysun wrote:The ONLY time I'd group is if another group is out and we can have *insert John Williams Muzik* STEALTH WARZZ

If I'm in a duo and we attack a Shield class is that 'zerging'? I'm curious as to what the definition is. Most if not ALL visibles will attack me on sight.

Group stealther warfare is EPIC. The problem we have during American prime time is we just dont have enough population to sustain that on most nights. You end up with one realm having enough to put 4-8 stealthers together and then the other realms are left with 1 or 2 at best. I agree though, if you can get a fg of stealthers from each realm all at AMG at the same time then I would have as much fun with that as I would if you handed me $500 in singles and sent me into a stip club. Good times would be had for sure! The only other problem with this is that it never fails when this could happen during Euro time on the weekends, then 1 realm always has to bring in a healer or some sort and then it loses it flavor. This actually reminds me that I wanted to try and put a stealther event together. I tried it a long time ago and no mids or albs showed up. Maybe I will try that again since we got some more people playing.

As fas as the "in a duo..." comment, that is just way to hard to say Jaysun. Honestly, if you asked 20 people what "fair" on this game is you would get 20 different responses. Personally, all I ever ask for is a chance to win. If I'm fighting you 2 vs 1 and I kill one of you then die, then that is fair. If I'm having a 1 vs 1 fight and win and then another person kills me afterwards that doesnt bother me in the least, hell I prefer it because now that player I beat is getting some rp's and he's willing to come back for another round. The only time I get mad is when I'm not even given a chance in a fight. For example, a duo w/ a healer or if you just kill me with so many I dont even have a chance. Now other people are totally different. I know some people get REALLY mad when you kill them and they are not at full life. Others only expect fights with equal numbers, etc. I dont like playing that way because as Mee said above, if I can kill your 3 man of inf's w/ my ranger then by all means bring 3 and hell even bring 4. I want competitive fun battles and win or lose I'm happy. Its when I'm given 0% chance to win that I say screw it and go craft or play a different game.

Jaysun I'm sorry if you are offended but once you called it ''hilarious'' I had to say it. I realy don't mind adding/zerging ppl but I don't get your point here. You say that ranger has no chance against any shield class, so it's not a fair 1vs1 fight. So it becomes automaticly your right to add him? If a rr4 group zergs you, would you take it the same way? Because they don't have much chance against you one by one. On the other hand it's df, there are always good amount of stealthers. Sometimes you solo and face a duo. Then inv a friend and wipe to a trio. Stealth groups camping stairs is not so rare. So we can't say that they built that group to zerg solos, they could be overuned. And when you are in stealth group, you kill solos too. Just don't get it why you called it 'hilarious'.

Oasis is a great band.
In geography, an oasis (plural: oases) or cienega (Southwestern United States) is an isolated area of vegetation in a desert, typically surrounding a spring or similar water source.

I am Oaois

Death Row
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L-PCQ0MwKLQ

Raskal wrote:Oasis is a great band.
In geography, an oasis (plural: oases) or cienega (Southwestern United States) is an isolated area of vegetation in a desert, typically surrounding a spring or similar water source.

I am Oaois

Death Row
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L-PCQ0MwKLQ

Touche I just dont know how to pronounce what is written above so we've always called you Oasis. Take out he "O" and throw in an "S" and its there.

RonELuvv wrote: This actually reminds me that I wanted to try and put a stealther event together. I tried it a long time ago and no mids or albs showed up. Maybe I will try that again since we got some more people playing.

YES YES YES

RonELuvv wrote:I know your comment wasnt directed at me Jaysun, but just to add to what you posted I would like to say that I'm not saying people have to play 1 vs 1 in any way shape or form. I always tell people to play the way they want, BUT you have to accept the consequences of said behavior.

As a simple example, lets say you run with Saosin, Fading, and Oasis to AMG and you camp there all afternoon at AMG with them and you guys kill anything you come across. You add 8 man fights, you kill solo's, and basically you play red is dead true RvR. Now, the afternoon wears on and action slowly dies down. Now its just you out there because the other 3 logged off to go out or go to bed. Now do you think the people that come back out that you have been killing 4 vs 1 are suddenly going to think, "Oh, he's solo now so I wont zerg him..." Wrong. This is a small community and we know who adds/zergs and are only recourse is to do the same back. Which I have found most people seem to think red is dead is great till they get rolled by heavy #'s and it happens to them. I once had a Death Row ranger after weeks of farming AMG in stealth zergs send me a tell on a random night complaining that he got added and said that is the reason he groups. I just laughed and told him that if he is going to group up and kill people they will do the same. He cant expect to go out one night and get fair 1 vs 1 fights when for weeks previously he was adding and zerging everything in sight.

Sighden is a perfect example of this. I like Sighden and I always got along fine with him and his whole crew. I came over to Midgard on my hunter and I would always see Sighden, Paja's, and a few others roaming around with them and I assumed they wouldnt kill me with their #'s since they knew I wouldnt add their fights etc. I was wrong. Sighden went out of his way to kill me every single time. I still didnt add in their fights because Paja's and the others he ran with normally didnt add me. After months of this I finally said screw it. Now anytime I see those guys in a fight I add in EVERY single time. Why wouldnt I? If they are going to kill me 2,3, 4 or even 8 vs 1 then why wouldnt I return the favor?

Play the way you want man, and dont let anyone tell you how to play in RvR, but remember that people will remember you and how you play and will retaliate in kind. Realise, even though I play 95% of the time solo and never add in I still have fg's, small mans, etc that add me and zerg me. That is part of the game. I just write those names down in a lil notebook next to me and next time I see them I do the same. What goes around comes around.

100% life 1v1 is fair 2v1 isn't fair unless it's 2v1 really low realm ranks and the only way they can even stand a chance is by grouping.

I can't see a rr9 losing to rr2's unless the rr9 is a noob (or low on life and the other 2 added after)

I know Zack doesn't add he's probably the most solo person in the stealth scene except Ronia

I mostly troll here now reading but miss the action from time to time

/wave to some of the old faces and names hope you're all doing well

Raskal wrote:Oasis is a great band.
In geography, an oasis (plural: oases) or cienega (Southwestern United States) is an isolated area of vegetation in a desert, typically surrounding a spring or similar water source.

I am Oaois

Death Row
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L-PCQ0MwKLQ

Even Oaois or Oasis for people, you stay the funniest ranger I met ^^ GOTTO10LNOW

Meh. I get ranger ganked 2v1, 3v1 all the time at AMG/Emain solo on my friar. The unfortunate thing is i'm sure they could beat me 1v1 (or at least stand a very good chance).

Don't these people know you get more RPs if you kill me solo. I'm honestly not that hard to kill.... RR4!

Don't know if its a population thing but generally it is ranger/hibs. The mid groups tend to prefer a fair fight and let 1v1 happen from my experience. Perhaps RPs are just harder to come by for hibs due to the sever stealther imbalance towards that realm so they feel the need to add and get whatever they can.

But its part of the game and always has been, and i just come back and find another spot and hope for a fair fight.

On that note... Thanks Smell (mid SB) for helping kill the 2 rangers who double popped me at the silo just now made my day.

One interesting point is this small community 'reap what you sow' methodology.

I like and employee that approach. There are a number of stealth (mostly rangers) who are on a list pinned up next to my computer screen that is entitled....

"Always gank and try to ruin their fun as much as possible"

I add, Ill gank, ill do anything i can to them, because they have done the same.

What i think is important though is that people don't go on that list too readily. I, am sure, have been guilty of adding or ganking in the past.

e.g. Get an invite from 2 saying 'Hib stealth zerg amg, come help us clean'... Ill jump on board. I'm more than happy to gank a few gankers... however i'm sure there will be one or two solo players who get caught up in that ganking. According to my list approach above they wold put me on the "Always gank and try to ruin his fun as much as possible" list when had i had seen them solo fighting i would not have added.

My point being that you don't always know what somebody has been told before they gank you. Perhaps they believe that you are 3v1 anyone that comes through AMG.

So in conclusion... i try to give people a few chances before i put them on my list.