Help Me Understand - Buffs

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Zerkes
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Postby Zerkes » Mar 03, 2013 00:17

This is in regards to solo RvR.

My only options on this server are as follows:

1. Buff Potions.

They only hold 1 charge each. So I would need to carry around 5 bags of buffs pots that each last 20 minutes. So I could buff myself for 100 minutes (if I don't die) before I have to head back into housing or vault and get 5 more bags of potions.

2. Item Charges.

Carry Items that hold charges for buffs. They hold 10 Charges each so you have twice as long as potions before you must go to the recharger.

3. Play a class hat has self buffs.

4. Play without buffs.

Are these the only options or am I missing something?

Thanks!

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Postby Raggnar » Mar 03, 2013 01:18

Zerkes wrote:This is in regards to solo RvR.

My only options on this server are as follows:

1. Buff Potions.

They only hold 1 charge each. So I would need to carry around 5 bags of buffs pots that each last 20 minutes. So I could buff myself for 100 minutes (if I don't die) before I have to head back into housing or vault and get 5 more bags of potions.

2. Item Charges.

Carry Items that hold charges for buffs. They hold 10 Charges each so you have twice as long as potions before you must go to the recharger.

3. Play a class hat has self buffs.

4. Play without buffs.

Are these the only options or am I missing something?

Thanks!



Your best option is to be well organized. Make your solo toon an alchemist or at least another toon on that account that is bound at the same house. Use dex/qui and str/con charges(prefferably on equipped items so they don't take extra room in your inventory) and carry some single buff pots + some heal and invigoration pots. Example, you are a solo warrior. If you can't afford Akar or body neck, just use the quest cloak and keep it in inventory for swap(it's 35 value strcon buff). Take(just a random example) 7 con pots, 7 str pots, 7 haste pots(3 min on charge not worth it anymore) and for the rest use heal and invigoration. Also, fill your personal vault with all of those pots so when you die, you can visit the vault keeper in your border keep and restock. When you know you are running low, on the next wipe just /rel house and reorganize your personal vault with potions from house vault. It's a massive time sink, but it's doable. It's even worse for assassins, since they need to have more weps and poisons. It's kinda pain in the ass but if you organize it properly, it's alright.
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Postby pweet » Mar 03, 2013 01:55

timers are 10mins not 20mins.

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Postby Zerkes » Mar 03, 2013 04:41

Thank you for the information.

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Postby Netchel » Mar 04, 2013 16:29

I wouldnt get too focused on a strategy for buffing. the devs are constantly evolving thier stance on the matter.
first they chose deliberately lower delves than buffs for charges so that self buffs or grouping will always be superior. bad for solos but at least its well defined.
then they remove barrels/bottles. but shorten the buff pot timer. in some ways good in others bad for solos.
then they add 75 delve charges so that charges are >= group buffs. good for solos.
then they remove recharge stones from drop lists so that its harder to maintain recharges for long runs.

whats next in the buff war?
should just add an npc that you have to hand 500g to and afk for 30 minutes next to, but that gives you full red buffs. seems the direction things are going.

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Postby Trishin » Mar 04, 2013 16:46

despite the first solution we have been quite consistent "moving towards our server vision of classic daoc"

then they remove barrels/bottles. but shorten the buff pot timer. in some ways good in others bad for solos.
then they add 75 delve charges so that charges are >= group buffs. good for solos.
then they remove recharge stones from drop lists so that its harder to maintain recharges for long runs.


All fall under that motivation.

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RonELuvv
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Postby RonELuvv » Mar 04, 2013 17:43

What Ivann said is correct. Run a couple charges on your solo toon and usually 3 base pots + you will have a few endo/health/hot pots. The only thing I would throw in on this would be that the alchemist only needs to be at like lvl 700+ for you to be able to make your own pots and that only costs about 500-700g to do. Also, get a house and put an alchemist table in. Then fill up your alchemist personal vault with alot of the ingredients you need so you dont have to port back and forth to Jordheim/Camelot/TNN. Basically, you log on your alchemist, grab all your ingredients out of your personal vault, whip out 30-50 of each of your potions and then you can switch back. I do this while making strength, con, dex, health pots, and a few hot/endo pots and it only takes me about 10-20 minutes. It does suck, but thats what people do now that solo and want to be well buffed. Storage can be an issue, but if you use your main vault + consignment merchant it should be enough space to accomodate a person for a few nights of RvR if they play frequently. I use 2 vaults + CM and they last me about 3-4 days normally and I RvR ALOT.
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Postby Jaysun » Mar 04, 2013 20:47

bleh time to make a Shade alt an alchemist.. I still say a 10 /use on potions would be nice; it would save inventory space; since this isn't a 'classic' server its really 'custom'

and if you want to get into semantics, the labled 'Classic Servers' had 10 /charge buff pots, 20 mins each
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Postby Blue » Mar 04, 2013 20:53

Netchel wrote:I wouldnt get too focused on a strategy for buffing. the devs are constantly evolving thier stance on the matter.

To make that clear, our stance never changed.

And to Jaysun: Taking our current (left) customizations as argument to make more customizations is a lame excuse to bring in changes you want. We know that argument and definitely ignore it. So don't waste energy on that argument chain.
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Postby Jaysun » Mar 06, 2013 23:24

Blue wrote:
Netchel wrote:I wouldnt get too focused on a strategy for buffing. the devs are constantly evolving thier stance on the matter.

To make that clear, our stance never changed.

And to Jaysun: Taking our current (left) customizations as argument to make more customizations is a lame excuse to bring in changes you want. We know that argument and definitely ignore it. So don't waste energy on that argument chain.


it wasn't my intention to do so, I'm to old to attempt to start an flame chain, I was trying to argue my point about 'classic' but in the 2nd meaning of the word.

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Postby Siberia » Mar 10, 2013 16:16

Raggnar wrote:Example, you are a solo warrior. If you can't afford Akar or body neck, just use the quest cloak and keep it in inventory for swap(it's 35 value strcon buff).



which quest allow to get this cloak with 35 strcon charge ?

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Postby Raggnar » Mar 10, 2013 16:23

Siberia wrote:
Raggnar wrote:Example, you are a solo warrior. If you can't afford Akar or body neck, just use the quest cloak and keep it in inventory for swap(it's 35 value strcon buff).



which quest allow to get this cloak with 35 strcon charge ?


It's called preemptive strike or something like that. You get it from an NPC in Galpen, just as you enter the village(inside the walls). It involves a lot of walking, so you might wanna ask your friend with speed class to help you(he can be grouped with you, but you need to get the deathblows on mobs). STRCON charge goes to hunter,sb,warr, zerk, for savage i am not sure :S...skalds get dexqui, and i would assume thanes get the same. I mean 35 value is slightly higher than pot, but it makes room in your inventory since you don't have to carry pots...if you can't afford akar's or body neck.
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