I did some PvE with my lvl 22 Eld the last 2 days.
I did not wipe once, we chain farmed reds in DF (masspulls), i also watched a bard / ani duo xping very fast.
I was able to masspull 5-6 blues (alone, no sc, no jewelery, armor without stats)

Beside my eld i did a Legion Raid and a Dragon raid both with <2fg legion died very fast.
I can still kill yellow mobs on my NS without gettin any damage.

I really don't see any of the problems you have guys.


And sry, but if you wipe to some mobs in Muire in a big group you'r doin everything wrong and the mob dmg hasn't that much to do with it

Koleriker wrote:Yesterday I recognized the same bug in thidranki. Every melee did 1 damage, even with 2hand The cold dd proc from my lvl 48 warrior did about 59damage but every hit was only 1. Guess something truely is wrong

Alb love baby ! Get some reavers ^^

Aragorn wrote:I did some PvE with my lvl 22 Eld the last 2 days.
I did not wipe once, we chain farmed reds in DF (masspulls), i also watched a bard / ani duo xping very fast.
I was able to masspull 5-6 blues (alone, no sc, no jewelery, armor without stats)

Beside my eld i did a Legion Raid and a Dragon raid both with <2fg legion died very fast.
I can still kill yellow mobs on my NS without gettin any damage.

I really don't see any of the problems you have guys.


And sry, but if you wipe to some mobs in Muire in a big group you'r doin everything wrong and the mob dmg hasn't that much to do with it

Ofc you kill well with a ani bard duo, or a eldritch u will not get very often hit by the mob so dmg of the mob is irrelevant You can solo kill yellow as evade ns with your poison and your pa pull too or if you use casts it works too. In the low sector the dmg of the mobs increased and you can feel that. Even the gms said that.

To your legion: the dmg of the high mobs did only change very soft. If the legion makes 400 or 440 dmg doesnt care
To the group: we were able to taunt the mob but if the healer are oom before we can kill 3 of 5 mobs u cannot say the group was bad.

Sry but your arrogance is really hard. Here are talking so many ppl and you talk like all other players here talking crap.

Tiberian1986 wrote:Sry but your arrogance is really hard. Here are talking so many ppl and you talk like all other players here talking crap.

Its his experience. And yes a lot of ppl do indeed talking crap and its not Aragorn.

I see that is his experience nice argumentation:

"And sry, but if you wipe to some mobs in Muire in a big group you'r doin everything wrong and the mob dmg hasn't that much to do with it "

He has not even tried it since the fix and like we see in this forum many ppl are talking about "u have to need a perfect setup to survive" This sentence is full of arrogance.

"I really don't see any of the problems you have guys." Ofc the mobdmg raised so there is a problem. Maybe its no big problem to him but the mob dmg makes lvling very hard in the low sector.

And then he came with Caster lvl experience and a ns experience which makes no sence when u can kill as caster blues before they hit you and as ns u get rare hitted.


Interesting is also blue: I watched his posts for a long time. And he is the only gm who is often not really diplomatic.

Whats up with you blue you are the only one gm where everyman can see, when u are ******

If someone shares your opinion you defend him no matter how rude he is. If someone other criticize this guy blue say something like the post before:"only experience..(but he was rude his last post shows that) ..... but other players here .crap.. So blue attacks some unnamed others.

For a neutral gm/developer position a little bit weird.

I was also moderator in a football manager with 6 million players. I know its annoying when ppl open hundreds of flame threads. Most of them flame for some days and then they stop flaming. So you have to handle with them, most ppl will calm down.

I am in most cases by your side. Here my experience were negative (about the mob dmg). I gave my statement which showed frustration like many other players did too. I would claim that this criticism(of many players) is constructive.

The post of aragorn... sounded like all others were talking crap "I really don't see any of the problems you have guys."(btw I did not say that he talked crap, his sentence appeard that all other talking crap) Ofc he will then get comments by others.

Back to blue: So you have to deal professional as gm.

I'm professional enough in my 11K posts so please apologize the 2% posts where I get upset. Sometimes its better not to respond since its not worth it.

Tiberian1986 wrote:He has not even tried it since the fix

Aragorn wrote:I did some PvE with my lvl 22 Eld the last 2 days. I did not wipe once

Blue wrote:I'm professional enough in my 11K posts so please apologize the 2% posts where I get upset. Sometimes its better not to respond since its not worth it.

Tiberian1986 wrote:He has not even tried it since the fix

Aragorn wrote:I did some PvE with my lvl 22 Eld the last 2 days. I did not wipe once

I meant with a fg. He was talking about the fg in muire. Its still as solo or duo easy to kill mobs but especially the fg fights or lets say more than 3 player groups need a good setup.

Correction: Ok it is not clear, if he played in a fg or duo or trio. So my statement to his fg experience was to pre..


My last statement in this thread after some more experience:

I killed solo as (lvl 10)valewalker ora mobs, I regged 30sec then i pulled another ora. So solo lvling works still, a little bit longer downtime but its ok.

Since we valewalker got the absorb selfbuffs our trio (2x vale, 1 bard against 2 ora or a red mob) works too. Its little bit harder but it´s ok.

Fg/more ppl fight: It all depands on the bof/baf system. When we are a fg and 3-4 mobs came it worked (ora, red too if a good setup). If 4-5 mobs came as a group of 7 its getting "lotto" . The result of 7-8 player xping is:

Its more dangerous and you have to take lower mobs if baf/bof works crazy sometimes ^^

My complete result: To lvl is more harder and it needs a little bit more time because of the more often dt but it appears, that because of the 20% groupbonus that is ok.

Aragorn wrote:I can still kill yellow mobs on my NS without gettin any damage.

Need a quick fix to lower the evade rate of Nightshades!

I lose about 40% hp on yellow (and 80% on orange) with a thane (shield tank that can parry/block/evade) and the mobs come to me with half hp after pulling with thunders!!

Need Fix evade!

@craptalk: speaking about magic damage on a melee damage problem is crap dude

Lords are superheroes now, all melee damage is reduced to 1, only magic damage is higher as usual. And this happen since this patchfix, sò there is indeed some problem in the armor of the lords maybe the new mob armor system + the damage reduction that was before on lords (hard coded?) were summed now?

(Ps. im speaking as savage lvl 42 that hit for 1... not a low lvl 20 on braemar lord! )

Caemma wrote:

Aragorn wrote:I can still kill yellow mobs on my NS without gettin any damage.

Need a quick fix to lower the evade rate of Nightshades!

I lose about 40% hp on yellow (and 80% on orange) with a thane (shield tank that can parry/block/evade) and the mobs come to me with half hp after pulling with thunders!!

Need Fix evade!

@craptalk: speaking about magic damage on a melee damage problem is crap dude

Lords are superheroes now, all melee damage is reduced to 1, only magic damage is higher as usual. And this happen since this patchfix, sò there is indeed some problem in the armor of the lords maybe the new mob armor system + the damage reduction that was before on lords (hard coded?) were summed now?

I did not try it today but the changelog of today said, that the lord absorb was wrong. So maybe its now fixed.

I wanted to throw in a few thoughts since mob dmg is something I noticed when I first started on here a few years ago.

People don't seem to remember very well how brutal the first year of this game was. It got easier over time of course as people learned how to play, got better gear, learned mechanics and stats. When spell crafting was introduced and DF and SI gear were readily available things got easier and stabilized but it was still much more difficult than Uthgard has been.

In the first 6 months of the game, people were getting their butts kicked by even level yellows. Mythic maintained that people should be targeting blue con mobs for soloing and even then should expect downtime, especially melee classes. As far as albion, I recall people thinking Theurgs were OP very early on because they could solo kill some reds. That was with huge inefficient downtime of course and leeched xp to the pets, but as I said no one knew the game mechanics at the time.

When spell crafting became available and I had stats/hits/skills and most resists capped on my mercenary I could kill many oranges and even a couple of low reds (barely) but it was always with a significant amount of damage. Of course mob types vary as well and some oranges went down kind of easy and some yellows would take off a very big chunk of HP.

Maybe some people are remembering killing oranges and reds but they are forgetting about the buff bots?

Now are the new damage values correct? It is tough to say because other changes may have been introduced to the code over the years. Without being able to point to something in patch notes, grab bag, or even at least combat logs, and screen shots from the time that would indicate something changed then where would you even begin? I still need to test focus pulling goblins. That was certainly very doable w/o a buff bot back in the day but it was not easy and required the player to be very careful and precise. But thinking back the majority of players used bots which made it so much easier and memories get skewed.

My only concern is the lack of XP groups between late 20's to early 40's on thsi server. I spent much time soloing those levels here and even that was very boring. I like classic and I like the game being a little bit more difficult but endless grinding with long waits for HP regen are really hard to deal with after being spoiled by games like wow. If there were more xp groups running at those level ranges then this would be much less of an issue.

@ Tiberian1986 i've never thought someone could feel offended by that post.
You'r right a ns rarely gets hit, and a caster does not get hit on masspulls if he knows how to.
Btw. masspulls with some casters in your group using snares, disease mezz and root does still work.

Just try to adapt to the new situation and stop tryin to XP the old way.
Guess some more awareness while xping and tryin not to have the half group afk does the trick.
The highest impact of the patch was lvl20-30 i xp'd my eld solo and in group.. even having no shields up i had enough time to set my instant debuff quickcast stun bomb and do the last few hp's with the Staff. I'm just telling it is NOT that hard in my oppinnion. It was way to easy before everyone was semi afk while xping it was so damn boring, cause there wasn't even a small chance to wipe most of the time and now as we get it a bit more challenging everyone qqs.

Instead of bein happy sayin: wohoo my Pet's "workin now" oh nice debuffs on mobs that gives PvE more depth.
Thx for the fix Blue.

If you find any arrogance in that post, well i don't care.
I did not write that with the intention to offend anyone its just my opinion.