The are people running around like headless chickens looking for actio night after night. The action is there folks, you just have to come out. Spam LFM in irc if you have to, hell some hibs or mids might switch just to keep things fun. I could use a break from fighting Nomad Jarl all the time

I will avoid the obvious boring statement that if Mr. QQ can't come up with a logical argument and needs to quote a whole post to use one blanket statement to refute it, the argument has no substance.

The argument that Ronn uses is however acceptable. You have figured out our obvious tactic. It didn't require cross realming or asking around much just being aware. We are predictable in what we do because, perhaps we enjoy playing the game that way. I will admit for being a realm rank 9 the groups are not an elite setup and probably lose more fights than they should. It can be put up to either lack of practice or experience, lack of correct classes, lack of realm ranks or lack of templates. Please, do not mistake this as to a post of 'excuse us' or 'we can't catch a break'. Neither of those are my intent. I am stating the facts of our life. I understand that ganking is part of the game and in no way am I denouncing it for either side. We expect people to come, we expect to fight, and more often than not we die.

I would like to call to your attention the group of Nomad Jarl. They took it upon themselves to find us, they take the initiative to kill us and spoil our plans. Their group is normal comprised of a aug healer, a pac healer and a shaman. Once again, do not mistake me for making excuses, merely refuting the statement of not every group EST is perfectly setup. On the contrary, the groups that do come find us are perfectly set up to fight. Prove me wrong that they are not.

As far as Ukko running with us I want to take nothing away from him as a person or a player. He is not with us every night, some do have business in real life to attend to. To continue with a friar being a substantial secondary healer the argument could be made, if friars didn't have to use most of their spec points into enhance, staff or parry. With a shaman not going mending, they can still give the group end buffs as well as useful offensive diseases and a warden not specing regrowth they can still provide a PBT to the group. I will once again avoid the obvious argument of a bard being the secondary healer due to everything else they can do that benefits the group and still allows them to act as a healer, not necessarily a melee class.

My original intent of the first post was not to persuade anyone taking the strong stance of banning guard tasks to not banning them. That is fool-hardy and a waste of everyone's time. It was however to call attention to some of the glaring deficiencies in the arguments made to ban them. Seeing that my point was well taken into account, I would like to make another statement or a question;

Where is the consistency?

There are other bugs, abilities and skills not working properly in all three realms. I always hear the claims of this needs to be more live like yet the fixes take it in opposite directions. I'm told that this bug is their top priority and something else that was working fine gets changed.

No matter what your opinion of us is, we did earn the realm points. I don't believe anyone here is making the claim that we didn't, and if you you are I make another challenge, do it for as long as we have and talk to me afterwards. Within the rules and confines of the game we got our realm ranks. We didn't cheat, we didn't hack, we didn't use IRC to stage fights, we didn't crossrealm to get things started. Every time someone noticed us doing it, a thread would appear claiming to ban tasks, and a change would happen. Hasteners stopped counting as one guard, Herald started showing keeps we were attacking, archers got an improved LOS and cannot lose it until out of range.

We didn't stop, we didn't complain, I'm not complaining now. But I do want to know that how, something that was live like, something that did work properly, something that could actually create RvR without rules breaking, can be changed so instantaneously. One post, and the following day in the cover of darkness one of the few things that was never under threat now works improperly. I ask, how can that springboard to the top of the list when weapon skill doesn't work, when several class realm abilities don't work right, when quests are bugged, mobs are bugged, and an over all balancing issue of classes doesn't? Where is the consistency to what is to be live like, and what is to be created?

ZaiQQ wrote:

Mee wrote:

Property wrote:The reduction to Task RP's is not going to fix the emain population problem.

US Prime time Emain is dead, this server population is heavy on the euro side, with most events happening during their prime time. More changes like this just continues to kill your US population.

+1

I' agree completely with this statement. I appreciate the attempt being made here, but until population changes, theres not a lot that can be done. I dont think this change is going to sway rvr population noticeably in any way.

Task or no task, its your own responsibility as a US player to continue doing rvr, even if it might suck sometimes. Someone has to be the first man out. Two groups don't just build a fg at the same time, if there wasn't anything out.

And playing a ranger is for sure not part of the solution, more the problem.

Zai, ive grouped with you, and i've fought against you. We will have to agree to disagree here. I have on average 2 hours a night to play. If i spend 75% of that building a group , trying to keep that group together, trying to find a group to fight, trying this trying that... I lose the desire to try... i would rather casually make my way out.. on a druid if i chose, on a ranger, on a scout, etc... you get the idea, and play. In this game i have no responsibility other than to have fun. When i stop doing that i will quit.

u jelly? Since they made the changes one day after my post, they for sure planned it and had already discussed it before. Nothing gets done on impulse on uthgard. You wan't me to write you back an equal ammount of text to tell you, that you still do not deserve your realmpoints?

Realmpoints you get from rvr
money/items you get from pve

Why are you getting realmpoints from doing pve.
This is not earning the rvr reward, by killing players and thus reciving realmpoints
Ergo, you did not deserve the realmpoints you have. Just because tasking is tedious, boring, and long, doesn't mean that afking and autohitting 20 guards is deserving the realmpoints. Even if you don't afk and autohit, we both know you could do so. And im not making you or your group the sole scapegoat, there's plenty of other people like you, that does it during primetime when tons of other groups are out and about. The more people rvring, the more people will want to join in on the action. If you cant get rps 8manning, don't 8man, make a 16slot. Make a 24 slot. The more people out, the better it is.

@Mee, if you dont try, why should someone else try to entertain you. The people that cry the most that there's no action are the ones doing A B S O L U T L E Y nothing to improve it. Is it really that difficult trying once or twice to build a group? If you can't build it in 15 mins, then stop. But why not try it beforehand?

Daoc fun is dependant on both yourself and the enemy. If you don't go out, they don't have fun, if they don't go out, you don't have.

Well for the tasker they dont need any ennemies for have fun

Then perhaps Mr. QQ you should take that up with the original makers of the game. The concept of RvR is realm versus realm. Anything in the advancement of your realm in a war, in their eyes constitutes realm points. I find it to have no coincidence that the word realm is in both names.

I am calling you out on this. I don't believe you can write anything of equal length or text on this subject because you have no substance other than we're not in Emain waiting for you. Do you have as much hatred to those that get gold and buy items off of a dragon raid they did not attend? Or do you hate the lower level people that gain realm points for taking a keep in the battlegrounds? Or do you despise the fact that one can kill a keep lord for realm points as well?

Your argument exists on the premise of fighting you in Emain. That is where the bonus realm points are at down time, that is where you prefer to be, that is what you like to do. I happen to be partial to the midgard frontier, it reminds me of home. It is not the duty of anyone in this game to advance Emain groups as you state. It is the duty of the player to do what they find to be enjoyable. It is a shame that you find it detestable that others can enjoy themselves without being within macro range of you. The fact eludes me why you and others find it so necessary to change the rules of the game, when someone with true innovation and creativity is able to create positive out of a negative.

You never ran with us, you never talk to us, you never see us except when it suits you. You don't know why we originally started and why we continued. You have every advantage in fighting us when you do find us. I do not understand what it is you wish to accomplish to ruin something that is clearly and enjoyment for some, and nothing but success for you, if you want to go out and get it.

Shinano wrote:Then perhaps Mr. QQ you should take that up with the original makers of the game. The concept of RvR is realm versus realm. Anything in the advancement of your realm in a war, in their eyes constitutes realm points. I find it to have no coincidence that the word realm is in both names.

I am calling you out on this. I don't believe you can write anything of equal length or text on this subject because you have no substance other than we're not in Emain waiting for you. Do you have as much hatred to those that get gold and buy items off of a dragon raid they did not attend? Or do you hate the lower level people that gain realm points for taking a keep in the battlegrounds? Or do you despise the fact that one can kill a keep lord for realm points as well?

Your argument exists on the premise of fighting you in Emain. That is where the bonus realm points are at down time, that is where you prefer to be, that is what you like to do. I happen to be partial to the midgard frontier, it reminds me of home. It is not the duty of anyone in this game to advance Emain groups as you state. It is the duty of the player to do what they find to be enjoyable. It is a shame that you find it detestable that others can enjoy themselves without being within macro range of you. The fact eludes me why you and others find it so necessary to change the rules of the game, when someone with true innovation and creativity is able to create positive out of a negative.

You never ran with us, you never talk to us, you never see us except when it suits you. You don't know why we originally started and why we continued. You have every advantage in fighting us when you do find us. I do not understand what it is you wish to accomplish to ruin something that is clearly and enjoyment for some, and nothing but success for you, if you want to go out and get it.

Killing 200 guards a night is not advancing your realm towards anything. You do not take the keeps, you do not try to take them. What you do is kill guards over and over for your own personal sake. Considering you do respond with about an A4 page to a sentence or two, if I would write an A4 back, I would end up having to read 10 pages of nonsense. If you think its fun guardtasking, why are you crying that you don't get the full reward? Thought you were doing it for the fun, not the rps.

Shinano wrote:Then perhaps Mr. QQ you should take that up with the original makers of the game. The concept of RvR is realm versus realm. Anything in the advancement of your realm in a war, in their eyes constitutes realm points. I find it to have no coincidence that the word realm is in both names.

I am calling you out on this. I don't believe you can write anything of equal length or text on this subject because you have no substance other than we're not in Emain waiting for you. Do you have as much hatred to those that get gold and buy items off of a dragon raid they did not attend? Or do you hate the lower level people that gain realm points for taking a keep in the battlegrounds? Or do you despise the fact that one can kill a keep lord for realm points as well?

Your argument exists on the premise of fighting you in Emain. That is where the bonus realm points are at down time, that is where you prefer to be, that is what you like to do. I happen to be partial to the midgard frontier, it reminds me of home. It is not the duty of anyone in this game to advance Emain groups as you state. It is the duty of the player to do what they find to be enjoyable. It is a shame that you find it detestable that others can enjoy themselves without being within macro range of you. The fact eludes me why you and others find it so necessary to change the rules of the game, when someone with true innovation and creativity is able to create positive out of a negative.

You never ran with us, you never talk to us, you never see us except when it suits you. You don't know why we originally started and why we continued. You have every advantage in fighting us when you do find us. I do not understand what it is you wish to accomplish to ruin something that is clearly and enjoyment for some, and nothing but success for you, if you want to go out and get it.

TROLOLOL in what killing guard without take the keep is an advancement ? its totally useless since you just turn in circle, coming back at the same keep after 10-20 minute for rekill the guards again and again.

@ Zai and Mee's discussion: I tend to side with both here. I agree Zai, the only way to improve the population of RvR is by going out and doing it. However, where I disagree is that playing a stealther class is no different then playing a group class. They are both putting more #'s out in the frontiers. Whether we get more stealthers or more visi action makes ZERO difference to me as long as we are increasing the overall #'s of people out there actually doing RvR. Both Mee and myself know you are not a fan of playing stealthers, but they are a class that has been here since the beginning and they have their place in DAoC as well. You also know that I prefer stealther (or rather solo) fights since I dont have the time sinks associated with putting together a group, going out, finding action, either killing them and have them log, or they kill us and we have to wait another 15-20 minutes to find a replacement, etc. However, if there is groups going and need some help I'm always willing to help on my ranger or my BM and I know Mee is in the same boat.

@ Shinano- I have to agree with Zai and Ori here Shinano, and my attacks have never been on you guys personally, its just that your guild and Sturleck have been the only ones opposed to these changes in this thread.

First off, you do nothing for your realm by tasking. If you take keeps then you could be said to helping your realm, but tasking does nothing for your realm. Secondly, as Zai said, you stated that you enjoy going out with your friends and actually enjoy tasking. Nobody said you couldnt task anymore. Just dont expect to get lots of RR's doing it once you achieve a certain RR. There is nothing wrong with that change. If you are tasking for fun then keep tasking. The RR's shouldnt be an issue for you. Unfortuntely, you kind of played right into Zai's hand when said you task w/ friends for fun and then in the same statement said you thought it was unfair that they reduced the reward for tasking. If you were just doing it for fun then it shouldnt have mattered.

Also, you are right Shinano, I am not attacking you or your tactics. You did nothing wrong. You didnt cheat. You didnt xrealm. You played the game that was there and there is nothing wrong with that. However, tasks were not available for this patch limit so they should not be implemented here. Also, it is WAY easier for the GM's to make an adjustment to the rewards on tasking then it is to come up with a working defense penetration formula. If you look on the bug report forums you will see that Jezzemin is needing help in doing this and they are working on those bugs you brought up. It will just take alot more time to fix those.

So much text to read

I agree with what roughly 44% say in this thread.

Die Veränderung der Punkte bei dem Guardtask wird Uthgard enorm schaden.
Mich frustiert es und ich verliere zusehens den Spass an Uthgard!
Es ist lobenswert, das sich den Verantwortlichen darüber gedanken machen, wie man das Spiel interessanter gestalten könnte. Aber die Veränderungen in den letzten Wochen tragen dazu bei, das immer weniger Spieler online sind! Das sind Zahlen, die sind FAKT
Damit stimmen die Spieler mit den Füßen ab und die Zahlen zeigen deutlich das sich immer mehr verabschieden von Uthgard.
In meinem unmittelbaren Umfeld haben sich inzwischen schon mehr als eine handvoll eigentlich treue Uthgrader verabschiedet, das finde ich wirklich traurig.

Aber es ist wie es ist, Blue und Co werden niemals zugeben, das ihre Entscheidungen falsch waren und der großteil der Spieler logt halt nicht mehr ein und beschwert sich garnicht groß.

Schade...

Bayernkoenig wrote:Die Veränderung der Punkte bei dem Guardtask wird Uthgard enorm schaden.
Mich frustiert es und ich verliere zusehens den Spass an Uthgard!
Es ist lobenswert, das sich den Verantwortlichen darüber gedanken machen, wie man das Spiel interessanter gestalten könnte. Aber die Veränderungen in den letzten Wochen tragen dazu bei, das immer weniger Spieler online sind! Das sind Zahlen, die sind FAKT
Damit stimmen die Spieler mit den Füßen ab und die Zahlen zeigen deutlich das sich immer mehr verabschieden von Uthgard.
In meinem unmittelbaren Umfeld haben sich inzwischen schon mehr als eine handvoll eigentlich treue Uthgrader verabschiedet, das finde ich wirklich traurig.

Aber es ist wie es ist, Blue und Co werden niemals zugeben, das ihre Entscheidungen falsch waren und der großteil der Spieler logt halt nicht mehr ein und beschwert sich garnicht groß.

Schade...

And I agree with this, since the poster is a member of a guild with a k33wl name.

What about delete his post since its an english topic

Don't get me wrong here, i do like the change, but imo its not going to solve a problem, only divert and create a new one. In live it was a bit more focused becuase you played one realm (or payed money to play another). On uthgard it is simple enough to switch realms if you don't like the outcome. Rolled by 2fg mids? Fine, log your mid account and join in. There's no way to lock it down to where people cannot log into multiple realms. You are not going to force people into action that they do not wanna be a part of. The majority of the player base at the moment plays multiple realms if not all 3. If they wanted to task and now they cannot, do not think that you can force them into rvr by changing the game dinamic unless you plan to change multiple aspects. There are to many options. (i.e. new toons, bg's , other realms, other games). The change has little to no effect on me as i rarely tasked unless it was in a guild group. That was generally only to pass the time and grab some minor rps until we saw a different keep light up, or inc came to investigate the fire we created. In the end i have to ask myself what is the bigger problem? Letting people grab minor rps by allowing them to task, or by forcing lesser skilled people into a scenario that they are not prepared for only to feed rps to those who are more capable?