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Postby RonELuvv » Aug 17, 2012 23:03

Trajin, I was not there, but if it was Arnooagi that told you not to add then that is funny. He has told me on countless occasions that he plays the "red is dead" mentality. He also got to where he is in rankings by running as a MoS bot for visi groups and constantly grouping up other stealthers to kill solo's and duo's. So I find it kind of comical that he would tell you not to add his fight.

Now, speaking just for myself here, I prefer "fair" fights. That does not always mean 1 vs 1. Revloc, Hyni, and Faydin were 3 low RR infiltrators that used to come out to AMG. Now 1 vs 1 these guys had about as close to 0% of a chance as you could get at beating me on my ranger. So I fought all 3 at the same time. Sometimes I may only get 1, sometimes I could get all 3, but it made for a "fair" fight. Now, when I am fighting Dexx, for an example of a "fair" 1 vs 1 fight, and another Hib stealther adds in I will immediately drop my weapons and let Dexx take action on the adder. I wont tell that person who added in the fight a thing since that can get me banned, but what else am I supposed to do in that situation? If I keep fighting Dexx then he is going to think that I was ok with that other player adding and the next time he see's me fighting sombody else now he will add my fight. Now we have a vicious circle of everyone adding everyones fights and now the only people that will be in RvR are the ones with the biggest zergs. Now we have a game in which it is not about skill but rather about how many you have or how good you are at adding in a fight and getting away.

As others have said, alot of the "elitist" and high RR players are just wanting a fun and competitive fight. When people jump into these fights the only recourse those players have is what you described. Especially since we can no longer ask a person not to add in a fight. That is the way this server is and prolly will continue to be. Add all the fights you want and play the way you like, just remember that its a small server and people will remember you and will always gang up and take you out first. I'm not saying this is fair, just stating the way it is. I to was in this same boat at lower RR.
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Postby Trajin » Aug 18, 2012 00:23

Arnooagi that told you not to add then that is funny. He has told me on countless occasions that he plays the "red is dead"

Not the original Arnooagi that partied with Mescuda (spelling mistake here I am sure) who was the MoS bot. He was brilliantly cool.

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Postby -l- Edgtho -l- » Aug 18, 2012 06:37

trajin u are absolutely right that it suxx that there like 10 ppl on amg from all 3 realms
and dont attack each other and just hunt down unknown casual players.

i rly dislike this as u do, but in first line i am a soloplayer (sadly on hunter which dont make it easier^^)
but now try to imagine the situation of adds from my point of view

i run like 8 minutes stealthed to amg in fear to get ganked instant when i run w/o stealth.
when i am near amg i need 3 minutes to buff myself (which is part of the 8 minute way) this costs me around 36g every 10 minutes/every death ^^
i dont like to add some other fights doesnt matter if 1on1 or 2on1 , last i help when i see a chance to win,
but to be honest most times i think after i am dead after such help :
why the fck did i thought this mid can think logical. this lowers my will to help rapidly.

now lets imagine i got a 1on1 and a mid adds this fight (mostly stealther) the enemy dies and thinks maybe that we are grped.
the enemy begins his next run and see me having a 1on1 and in rage about he will add me down to death.
i am sad about but ok i can understand and try another run.
now i come back emain and get steamrolled by a fg because i wasnt stealthed, ok my own fail lets start again....
so now i am back amg full buffed and ready to rock (so far its possible on hunter xD)
i begin a fight... tough enemy, i will need all my power to strike him down.. he´s on 30% i am on 20% next hit enemy on 5% - ADD i am dead enemy laughs at me. (i love emotespam from adders^^)

what u think will i return again? the answer is no, never.
so your point of view on the situation is exactly the same than mine just from another side.

i know there are diffrent playstyls and they are hardly to combine, but we already tried to find a solution which gets destroyed by the community
(solozone odins gate got steamrolled by stealthzergs which werent able to kill solos at emain amg anymore)

or forbidden by the gms
("elitist" grps arent allowed to manage to rvr in another zone - thanks gms)

but tbh the solozone in odins was even a huge fail from those "solo community" , i mean many people came it was fun for 3 days, then it began to change into a desaster, people came on classes like friar, not only for duelling, no they began to rezz. this was the beginning of something unstopable... after a few hours there were real rezzbots and the solozone became a rp farm zone and i needed to contact nayru so that he stops it before most players there recieve bans (i even warned those players before but they dont wanted to listen).

so what want this silly huntard tell u? - its all in all a comunication and a tolerance problem between player communities and staffmember to solve those problems.
the staff tries to do it on theirself, but mostly for get the players minds about many things.
and the players react like little babys and do what they want...

if "elitist" grps are allowed to go into another zone maybe they will, maybe they will stay emain for gank more "noobs" we cant know but it could be a beginning of more casual players join emain rvr but we cant know, because those players decide if hey rvr and most dont even want to rvr.

now try to imagine one of this "elitist" grps
they enjoy their 8vs8 but always solos or smallmen add and the grps remind this...
so they kill the solo adder next time before they have inc so that he cant add their fight, normal reaction.
some grps even kill solos for the fun to ****** people off they dont like, also normal ^^.



so in the end we have to accept and tolerate that there are other playstyls and the fact that we cant bring all those diffrent minds to one solution. we cant give respect to each other if everyone thinks otherwise what respect is.
we need clear borders (zonewalls :D) between this diffrent opportunities to solve it.

just my 2 cents


ps: thanks for the staff to give us the chance to play here we all should show u more that we are thankful, but its hard to show when u do like everything to fck us up :D

mfg -l- Edgtho -l-

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Postby Oswaldo » Aug 18, 2012 09:54

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Postby pythion » Aug 18, 2012 19:27

currently only the AMG police are stopping these loiterers..
we encourage all players with weapons to take up arms and randomly attack any enemy player they see (IF ITS RED ITS DEAD)
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Postby Oswaldo » Aug 18, 2012 21:21

pweet wrote:since anguish cant compete anymore thats their last stand ;)



I dont get this
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Postby Jarqo » Aug 18, 2012 22:00

hmm ?
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Postby Shafi » Aug 21, 2012 18:33

-l- Edgtho -l- wrote:trajin u are absolutely right that it suxx that there like 10 ppl on amg from all 3 realms
and dont attack each other and just hunt down unknown casual players.

i rly dislike this as u do, but in first line i am a soloplayer (sadly on hunter which dont make it easier^^)
but now try to imagine the situation of adds from my point of view

i run like 8 minutes stealthed to amg in fear to get ganked instant when i run w/o stealth.
when i am near amg i need 3 minutes to buff myself (which is part of the 8 minute way) this costs me around 36g every 10 minutes/every death ^^
i dont like to add some other fights doesnt matter if 1on1 or 2on1 , last i help when i see a chance to win,
but to be honest most times i think after i am dead after such help :
why the fck did i thought this mid can think logical. this lowers my will to help rapidly.

now lets imagine i got a 1on1 and a mid adds this fight (mostly stealther) the enemy dies and thinks maybe that we are grped.
the enemy begins his next run and see me having a 1on1 and in rage about he will add me down to death.
i am sad about but ok i can understand and try another run.
now i come back emain and get steamrolled by a fg because i wasnt stealthed, ok my own fail lets start again....
so now i am back amg full buffed and ready to rock (so far its possible on hunter xD)
i begin a fight... tough enemy, i will need all my power to strike him down.. he´s on 30% i am on 20% next hit enemy on 5% - ADD i am dead enemy laughs at me. (i love emotespam from adders^^)

what u think will i return again? the answer is no, never.
so your point of view on the situation is exactly the same than mine just from another side.

i know there are diffrent playstyls and they are hardly to combine, but we already tried to find a solution which gets destroyed by the community
(solozone odins gate got steamrolled by stealthzergs which werent able to kill solos at emain amg anymore)

or forbidden by the gms
("elitist" grps arent allowed to manage to rvr in another zone - thanks gms)

but tbh the solozone in odins was even a huge fail from those "solo community" , i mean many people came it was fun for 3 days, then it began to change into a desaster, people came on classes like friar, not only for duelling, no they began to rezz. this was the beginning of something unstopable... after a few hours there were real rezzbots and the solozone became a rp farm zone and i needed to contact nayru so that he stops it before most players there recieve bans (i even warned those players before but they dont wanted to listen).

so what want this silly huntard tell u? - its all in all a comunication and a tolerance problem between player communities and staffmember to solve those problems.
the staff tries to do it on theirself, but mostly for get the players minds about many things.
and the players react like little babys and do what they want...

if "elitist" grps are allowed to go into another zone maybe they will, maybe they will stay emain for gank more "noobs" we cant know but it could be a beginning of more casual players join emain rvr but we cant know, because those players decide if hey rvr and most dont even want to rvr.

now try to imagine one of this "elitist" grps
they enjoy their 8vs8 but always solos or smallmen add and the grps remind this...
so they kill the solo adder next time before they have inc so that he cant add their fight, normal reaction.
some grps even kill solos for the fun to [I am a little bunny and like flowers] people off they dont like, also normal ^^.



so in the end we have to accept and tolerate that there are other playstyls and the fact that we cant bring all those diffrent minds to one solution. we cant give respect to each other if everyone thinks otherwise what respect is.
we need clear borders (zonewalls :D) between this diffrent opportunities to solve it.

just my 2 cents


ps: thanks for the staff to give us the chance to play here we all should show u more that we are thankful, but its hard to show when u do like everything to fck us up :D

mfg -l- Edgtho -l-


This is totally offtopic, but can anyone tell me where the tree in Edgthos avatar is from?
I realize it, but don't remember from where... :|
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Postby Austerim » Aug 21, 2012 19:01

Use tineye.com to find it. :oops:
[3:10pm] <myrmidon^> You have to be a c*** to be awesome at daoc
[3:10pm] <myrmidon^> that's what I learnt
[3:11pm] <Frosty_> then why does austerim suck
lordgriffon wrote:Oh by the way... ever seen a group of 8 smite clerics? Or play against a group like that? I have. Absolute devastation. The group that runs up against them can't kill them fast enough because smite clerics have sooooooo many tools at their disposal combined with decent ranged damage with 8 of them dudes doing it!

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Postby pythion » Aug 21, 2012 19:59

http://goo.gl/i8izG
seems quite common!
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Postby Shafi » Aug 22, 2012 09:36

Yes, but where is it from? Must've been a cartoon or an old game, but I can't remember which is driving me crazy. And ofc Woody was no help... :twisted:
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Postby Jezzmin » Aug 23, 2012 09:47

Shafi wrote:Yes, but where is it from? Must've been a cartoon or an old game, but I can't remember which is driving me crazy. And ofc Woody was no help... :twisted:


still OT but i'll answer that:

used the tineye-link with the url posted below and got here:

http://www.mightandmagic.yoyo.pl/

it must be from either might and magic or heroes of might and magic...as I know that tree as well and i only played heroes of might and magic it must be from there :)...though i cant really remember where exactly that tree came up :D

edit: to be a little on topic at least: i completely agree with edgtho....after 437583 deaths due to adders, zergs or whatever its really hard to keep up "fair play"...until now i could still keep it up and never add on "fair" fights, but its really hard :/

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Postby Magni » Aug 24, 2012 06:33

In my opinion, it's fair to say that some people prefer 1v1 fights over 8v8. Why? 8v8 fights take a lot of coordination and not to mention headache if you are not playing with people you know and can rely on.

Also, some classes just do not have the same group value as others, therefore soloing / duoing is a much better bet. Take for example thanes, stealthers of all types, champions, reavers.. 80% of the solos at amg are hybrids or stealthers..

Some classes like hunters, scouts and even other low rr people have the right to gang up on solos sometimes. I fight duos / adders all the time, and do not always rage when I die to them if they are casual players or low rr.. give them a chance and don't immediately slap a /adder label on them.

For example, is it really fair for Dexx and Zacknafein to eat rr4's for dinner every night and then QQ when they are added? (not saying zack/dexx does, just using them as an example of some very tough and skillled 1v1 fighters).

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Postby RonELuvv » Aug 24, 2012 16:52

I agree 100% w/ you Magni. I want "fair" fights and if 2 low RR inf's have to fight me to get a close to fair fight then I'm all for it. It is when you dont have a chance in a fight is when it becomes discouraging to go back. 2 or even 3 vs 1 against some low RR stealthers is not a problem, but fighting a trio with a healer of some sort does not make for a very competitive fight.

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Postby pythion » Aug 24, 2012 20:34

apparently dying in rvr is discouraging and even more so when you're outnumbered!
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