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please respec for pet classes

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Frendir Gryphon Knight Posts: 418 Joined: Jul 06, 2010 00:00	by Frendir » Jul 19, 2012 16:12 So pet classes shall have easy leveling with petspec and then get freerespec to get their rvr-spec? Uth1: Tuennes HO Merc 8Lx <Nightwatch>, Frendir Dwarf Zerker 6Lx <Svalbard Ravens> Uth2:

Troham Myrmidon Posts: 127 Joined: Apr 05, 2007 00:00	by Troham » Jul 19, 2012 16:21 No? Have you read the text? Did you understand it?

Frendir Gryphon Knight Posts: 418 Joined: Jul 06, 2010 00:00	by Frendir » Jul 19, 2012 16:43 I only read QQ i specced my class wrong. And btw respecs can be bought or earned with raids, especially in midgard they are not that expensive. Edit: Just checked Midhousing. 900 gold is the cheapest FULLrespec. Stop cry... Uth1: Tuennes HO Merc 8Lx <Nightwatch>, Frendir Dwarf Zerker 6Lx <Svalbard Ravens> Uth2:

HulkGris Phoenix Knight Posts: 1256 Joined: Jan 23, 2012 19:48	by HulkGris » Jul 19, 2012 17:01 Frendir wrote:I only read QQ i specced my class wrong. Learn to read then. He spec his class with a spec that don't work properly on this server. Thanks to a bug (and he didn't know it was a bug), the spec was anyway playable. Since the bug fix, the spec is less effective, so he would like a free respec for the SM who chose this unefficient spec. I understand the request. Frendir wrote:And btw respecs can be bought or earned with raids, especially in midgard they are not that expensive. A summoning SM in a raid ? Are you sure that such a class is accepted ? The best solution is to farm money. The spec is far less efficient than on live, but it works. It could have been worst, just imagine a enchanter with enchantment spec RIP : Ectoplasme My own version of Uthgard Character Builder

Blue Developer Posts: 15822 Joined: Apr 22, 2005 00:00	by Blue » Jul 19, 2012 17:22 Lasastard wrote:Fair enough, but the question remains whether this was a bug fix or not. You want to say that when the pet is hit in 50% of the cases it only gets 30% damage because it intercepts itself is no bug? Seriously. Sometimes it gets ridiculous in here. It's done when it's done. Thanks for your patience. Every bug gets fixed. Sooner or later. "It is an inescapable law of nature that the amount of satisfaction one gains from achieving something is related to how hard it is and easy things can only elicit a fleeting superficial sort of pleasure." Blue says, "you used macro tools or macro keyboard" Pala says, "i am disabled. and i have a mechanic left hand that can be programed. its hard to play woith one hand" [Appeal] Bxxxxxxxx: "why is RA first aid cann man i stealth use and not unstealth cann man ra if man use unstealth ?????????" BannedUser: "i was not using automate game action my hand was fall on keyboard during i was sleep .... i was completly fall on keyboard ..."

Amaar Warder Posts: 19 Joined: Jul 27, 2011 04:13	by Amaar » Jul 19, 2012 17:41 it would have been better to leave the bug as it is and fix it togehter with the petbuff fix in my opinion. really bad for all petpull classes now /edit at least for sm ^^

Blue Developer Posts: 15822 Joined: Apr 22, 2005 00:00	by Blue » Jul 19, 2012 17:53 Amaar wrote:it would have been better to leave the bug as it is and fix it togehter with the petbuff fix in my opinion. really bad for all petpull classes now /edit at least for sm ^^ Leaving bugs ingame is never better. This bug ONLY affected SM pets and on top of the (propably) bugged intercept rates its just too much. It's done when it's done. Thanks for your patience. Every bug gets fixed. Sooner or later. "It is an inescapable law of nature that the amount of satisfaction one gains from achieving something is related to how hard it is and easy things can only elicit a fleeting superficial sort of pleasure." Blue says, "you used macro tools or macro keyboard" Pala says, "i am disabled. and i have a mechanic left hand that can be programed. its hard to play woith one hand" [Appeal] Bxxxxxxxx: "why is RA first aid cann man i stealth use and not unstealth cann man ra if man use unstealth ?????????" BannedUser: "i was not using automate game action my hand was fall on keyboard during i was sleep .... i was completly fall on keyboard ..."

RonELuvv Alerion Knight Posts: 1995 Joined: Apr 13, 2010 00:00	by RonELuvv » Jul 19, 2012 18:05 Blue wrote: Lasastard wrote:Fair enough, but the question remains whether this was a bug fix or not. You want to say that when the pet is hit in 50% of the cases it only gets 30% damage because it intercepts itself is no bug? Seriously. Sometimes it gets ridiculous in here. This is almost laughable at best. I can understand why people who abused this bug would be upset, but this is just like the assasins that QQ'd because they got the nerf on the perf. Let me rephrase that, they say it got nerf'd, but in reality it got fixxed. A) Respecs are super cheap and B) Be glad you got to play a class that was bugged for as long as it was. You explain to me how if I intercept a hit on my BM I take way over normal damage, but when a pet does it it receives LESS damage then a normal hit? You guys think this was fair? Sorry, but if Inf's dont get respec after the perf change then why would SM's? Zacknafein Do'Urden- lvl 50 Ranger- 10L1 Jarlaxle Baerne- lvl 50 Blademaster- 5L8 Marshal Mathers- lvl 50 Bard- 3L8 Neighborhoodfriendl AlchemistbotSuperwarden- lvl 36 Warden- 2L2 Barrabus TheGray- lvl 6 Nightshade- 1L0 Zacknamid SorryaboutkillinguonHib- lvl 50 Hunter- 8L1 Cadderrly Bonaduce- lvl 50 Friar- 4L2

Lasastard Phoenix Knight Posts: 1180 Joined: May 28, 2009 00:00	by Lasastard » Jul 19, 2012 18:40 Against better judgement, let me elaborate... Uthgard is a reverse engineered game, based on DAoC [patch level somewhat blurry and undefined in some cases]. Fine. First and foremost, for the players, they are dealing with a given status quo [pet intercept rate] that has existed for a very long time. Some call it Uthgard's 'meta', i.e. an interpretation of DAoC with certain differences. Now, if you change the intercept rate, you may either call it a bug fix OR an adjustment towards making Uthgard more like live DAoC [again, whatever patch it may be in the end]. There is a very subtle difference there that has consequences for how this should be treated regarding respec or no respec. If it is indeed a bug fix, then yes, no respec. But for it to be a 'bug' one may argue that it at some point got broken and now fixed. This however is not actually the case, it was wrongly implemented and thus became part of Uthgard's 'meta'. If you change it, you should imho treat this like Mythic has treated any type of major reworking of mechanics and acknowledge that players affected by this should be given the opportunity to spec something else that is more viable under the new status quo. Ah what the hell am I doing here, it's not like sensible arguments get any results ^^ OP, go buy a respec, no point in arguing

RonELuvv Alerion Knight Posts: 1995 Joined: Apr 13, 2010 00:00	by RonELuvv » Jul 19, 2012 18:50 Lol, well said Lasastard, but where does this stop? Like I said, the EXACT same could have been said about the perf fix, but I didnt see anyone saying all assasins should get a free respec. The perf damg was not taking into account AF and Absorption from armor so casters got perf'd for the same as heavy tanks. This was always there. It got fixxed and then assasins were upset, but they were never given a respec. What makes this change to SM's any different? I do understand where you are coming from, and even agree to a degree. The problem is with all the reverse engineering in trying to get the server to a bug free state this could happen ALOT, and where do you draw the line? This is a big change, but if you do it here then anytime there is a change to a class people will be asking for respecs and referencing this as a reson to do it. As you said, the quick and easy fix is go and buy a respec stone. I saw 2 different people the other day on Mid trying to sell full skill respecs for 500g. It shouldnt hurt you to bad.

Blue Developer Posts: 15822 Joined: Apr 22, 2005 00:00	by Blue » Jul 19, 2012 19:13 Lasastard: I have the feeling you did not even understand what was fixed. It's done when it's done. Thanks for your patience. Every bug gets fixed. Sooner or later. "It is an inescapable law of nature that the amount of satisfaction one gains from achieving something is related to how hard it is and easy things can only elicit a fleeting superficial sort of pleasure." Blue says, "you used macro tools or macro keyboard" Pala says, "i am disabled. and i have a mechanic left hand that can be programed. its hard to play woith one hand" [Appeal] Bxxxxxxxx: "why is RA first aid cann man i stealth use and not unstealth cann man ra if man use unstealth ?????????" BannedUser: "i was not using automate game action my hand was fall on keyboard during i was sleep .... i was completly fall on keyboard ..."

HulkGris Phoenix Knight Posts: 1256 Joined: Jan 23, 2012 19:48	by HulkGris » Jul 19, 2012 19:13 RonELuvv wrote:What makes this change to SM's any different? Different ? Assassin don't have to respec, even with the fix, a CS spec is ok. To compare you have to imagine the same case but with a broken CS spec. If the CS spec was giving only this huge bugged PA, and no other style, just imagine what would had became a CS specced assasssin after the PA bug fix ? When a bug gives to a spec an advantage AND a drawbacks, fix only the "positive" bug is a little bit more annoying that fixing a bug in a spec that works perfectly. But i still agree, go farm if you want to respec ! Summonning SM have a focus damage shield on their spec, they can find a healer and farm easyly. Blue wrote:Lasastard: I have the feeling you did not even understand what was fixed. By the way... i don't even see why summoning spec is affected by the fix Last edited by HulkGris on Jul 19, 2012 19:14, edited 1 time in total. RIP : Ectoplasme My own version of Uthgard Character Builder

Blue Developer Posts: 15822 Joined: Apr 22, 2005 00:00	by Blue » Jul 19, 2012 19:14 What a senseless discussion... It's done when it's done. Thanks for your patience. Every bug gets fixed. Sooner or later. "It is an inescapable law of nature that the amount of satisfaction one gains from achieving something is related to how hard it is and easy things can only elicit a fleeting superficial sort of pleasure." Blue says, "you used macro tools or macro keyboard" Pala says, "i am disabled. and i have a mechanic left hand that can be programed. its hard to play woith one hand" [Appeal] Bxxxxxxxx: "why is RA first aid cann man i stealth use and not unstealth cann man ra if man use unstealth ?????????" BannedUser: "i was not using automate game action my hand was fall on keyboard during i was sleep .... i was completly fall on keyboard ..."

Lasastard Phoenix Knight Posts: 1180 Joined: May 28, 2009 00:00	by Lasastard » Jul 19, 2012 19:20 Blue wrote:Lasastard: I have the feeling you did not even understand what was fixed. That's not even the point - the point is your categorical statement that there will be no respecs for bug fixes. My discussion was on that subject and what defines a bug over an adjustment and why there may or may not be reason to think about this in a more differentiated way.

Abydos Game Master Posts: 6839 Joined: Jan 22, 2011 21:14	by Abydos » Jul 19, 2012 19:36 So when pet buffs/damage is fixed, and everyone wants a free respec back?