I have brought this up before in other threads, but since the GM's are really looking at some open ideas to increase the RvR experience I would like to throw this back out again and see if it sparks any interest.

One of the biggest complaints about RvR is the lack of people. A very similiar problem occured with testing for SI. They had a hard time getting people to help out, so they increased the reward a bit and now testing is moving along pretty well. All it took was a minor tweak to the reward, a reward with no real impact on the game, and people came rushing.

I believe the same can be had in RvR. While Blue is rewriting the RvR code to implement bigger changes, I would throw out the idea of putting in something with a bit more value for BP's. I would suggest Epic reskin scrolls that are non tradable for high BP's. Maybe do it with 20-30k bp's for a vest reskin and vary it from there if you wanted to do helm, gloves, boots, etc. I believe by doing this you would see alot more people going out with the idea of getting a "cool" looking armor piece. It may not bring everyone out, but even if it brings 30-40 more people in over a month it will be better then nothing. It has zero impact on game mechanics and would not under value similiar reskins since it would only be epic, unless you wanted to try other reskins. With it being non tradable you wouldnt have people just getting reskins to sell em off at a profit. Any interest in something like this Blue?

RonELuvv wrote:One of the biggest complaints about RvR is the lack of people. A very similiar problem occured with testing for SI. They had a hard time getting people to help out, so they increased the reward a bit and now testing is moving along pretty well. All it took was a minor tweak to the reward, a reward with no real impact on the game, and people came rushing.

The reward is exactly as was stated originally, 20 uthalis per encounter (originally worded as 'task')

Raid Dungeons. This involves logging into live at a scheduled time and completing a specific task in a dungeon. All participants will receive 20 Uthalis.

Aye, maybe I should rephrase that. Once the word got out about how much uthalis you could earn more people started helping. Once the people that went started getting the rewards others started hopping aboard. Myself included.

Although I like this idea, I don't see GMs using BP since it exists in abundance. Maybe something similar to an event, but last a lot longer then a few hours. Tradeable or not Epic, along with any reskin, would be very valuable and I don't see them just giving them out.

It was already here, you could buy reskins for BPs. But it was removed because some people were clad in full TOA armor and it destroyed immersion or whatever.

The problem was the pricing as there were piles of BP available on older chars.

Even if it was in abundance, if you cant sell the scrolls, (wonder if there's a way to bind armor to that character after it has been skinned), then it doesnt really matter if you have an abundance on that player, you could only skin that player with that players bp

Mee wrote:Even if it was in abundance, if you cant sell the scrolls, (wonder if there's a way to bind armor to that character after it has been skinned), then it doesnt really matter if you have an abundance on that player, you could only skin that player with that players bp

Yes, just like some quest rewards, you can make an item untradeable. You could keep them account specific by letting players turn in the token to a gm while they switch to a particular toon too. Then whatever they have reskinned be bound to that character.

The character with the bp would buy the token, which would be untradeable, and they should have the option to switch to a character on their account if they wish. This might take a little checking to ensure people are switching to character son the same account of course and not to a friends account who has given them plat ahead of time for the reskin.

I like this idea fwiw, it rewards players and has zero impact on the market value of non-bp reskins. As long as the items reskinned are bound to that persons account.

This idea devalues the SI epic dungeon loot, which has epic armor skin.

There is only an abundance of BP's because there is nothing really worth spending BP's on. ~

Wyvern Tickets, Siege Supplies, Nereid Potions . . . That's about all I use them for.

_Oglop_ wrote:There is only an abundance of BP's because there is nothing really worth spending BP's on. ~

Wyvern Tickets, Siege Supplies, Nereid Potions . . . That's about all I use them for.

I agree with this. And I also like the idea of some sort of reskin available too, just not sure how to logistically make it work. If epic reskins will be available with SI, then maybe another type of reskin? Or effects? Or even just the ability to color dropped weapons? There is a lot of potential for this, and it could encourage more people to come out and RvR to get the bounty points they need for their awesome look.

BobtheSkelly wrote: Or even just the ability to color dropped weapons? There is a lot of potential for this, and it could encourage more people to come out and RvR to get the bounty points they need for their awesome look.

Check page 2 of the event merchant. SI-only weapon enamels for dropped items are available for Uthalis already

Abydos wrote:Check page 2 of the event merchant. SI-only weapon enamels for dropped items are available for Uthalis already

That's the idea, promote RvR by offering something for BPs.

I hope this is given some consideration. I understand the staff's comments about SI content and such, but the problem several of us have would be prejudice due to population. While DAoC does give you options (solo rvr, solo pve), one thing that isnt an option is solo dungeon epic loot. If i'm playing US times and there are approximately 40-50 players per realm, its gonna be a battle putting together an epic SI dungeon raid. I'm excited about the content, but fearful it is only another wedge that will be driven between the casual (or even not so casual off primetime) player. It would be a shame to have 70% of Euro players in epic skins and 5% of US players in it (that estimate may still be high). I dont think its the ultimate gamebreaker, but i'd like to believe there are alternatives.

Like I said, it was just an idea. Also, I would think it would have to be bound to the character that earned the bp's for the simple reason that it should be a reward for RvR'ing on that particular toon. I was not aware of the epic reskins on SI loot, but maybe we could put in some "RvR" skins or whatever would be thought of as appropriate.

My whole thought process was simply that many people will do ANYTHING to get some special glowy effect or reskin, and these things never have an impact in game other then looks. We have people getting bp's that are really only used for tickets on the wyvern and recharges. Yes, you can use them for the new charges (heal/mana/end) implemented, and you can also use them for rent, but overall these are things you can get from farming PvE or crafting pots. Well, except the wyvern tickets. Essentially tho, bp's have very little worth. If you put in some sort of eye candy for the people I promise you more people would RvR. I dont know how great of an impact it would have, but it would at least put a few more people out there, and that can't be a bad thing.

Also, I dont see how you can ever "devalue" previous reskin items. They are nothing more than graphical fodder. They dont improve a toon, they just make him look "cool", and I cant see many people being upset at this change. Most of the toons that have reskins now prolly have lots of BP's just sitting around so they could use them as well.

I would see this as a way of showing people by looks alone that you have done alot of RvR on a toon without having to see their RR title or anything. A neat lil way to show off that you have put in your dues for your realm.