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Orihiime
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Postby Orihiime » Jun 24, 2012 02:33

Why im not even surprised that its Holsten and REctor ^^
2012:<@[Uth]Abydos> If we don't have SI by the end of the year, Im fairly certain I wont be a GM anymore :-p

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Postby ZaiQQ » Jun 24, 2012 02:53

I wish to nominate galandriel for mid!
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Postby Bloodwyne » Jun 24, 2012 08:59

I wanted to nominate Ramboz and Dioz but then...

@ Nef:

A forum is still a forum.. it should be representative for the community, everyone who doesnt involve himself in discussions about important things (i dont mean the 99% spam/flame and trolling, but actually the staff should be able to filter the important comments) simply has no right to complain about changes. Their handling towards ideas coming and are highly accepted in the community is just ignorant and i don't see it changing... Check this thread... 2 years later this changes are in the status of "to do" ... how many more years we will wait from now?

viewtopic.php?f=32&t=19760

The point is not only i saw how many times the community got kicked in the nuts by the staff... the participation in the forum by "casual" players was more frequent back then... ofc at some point people give up and just accept what they get of they are playing casualy anyway
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Postby Abydos » Jun 24, 2012 09:27

Bloodwyne,

Realize that this project is a hobby for all staff. Please refrain from making inflammatory and insulting comments about staff. Thank you.

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Postby Bloodwyne » Jun 24, 2012 10:21

Sorry for speaking the truth
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Postby Raggnar » Jun 24, 2012 10:39

Trishin wrote:
Celad wrote:
The simple fact that he is the one who wrote the news is a great power itself (just look at the Bloodwine -now edited- and poplik comments, that I agree with) because he will speak (write) summarizing all the thoughts of the future councile, and it's nearly impossible to do this thing without giving some personal considerations or aptitude in it (yes, hust like the "rvr as it should be" consideration).
But don't take me wrong, I've nothing vs Luydor. It's just increbile to me that a councile can't vote for his chief.

Anyway, I'm happy to see the rest of the news.

You really think he will write it alone with the council having no saying? oO Why not wait to see what this council brings before you complain?


He just nominated two guys who are completely secluded into their own alliances and probably think exactly like him haha...so yeah, they will say the same things he says :). Anyway, this whole thing is a joke. I like and respect Luydor and Holsten, and I don't know Rector very much but he seems nice, but these guys don't know ****** what's going on outside their own guilds, let alone alliances :). I only play Midgard because I like Nordic mythology, and yes I've made some friends here, I like my alliance and I like a lot of guys from German guilds as well, but in general, people who play Midgard are mostly just a bunch of cheap bastards who care only about RPS and not community, for them it's more important to add a fight and leech 300 rps or put some item for million plat on housing just because they are the only ones who have it for sale atm, than helping a realm mate. It will be same for this council, people who will get elected will be chosen probably by one guy and he will pick guys who think exactly like him, have no backbone and have the exactly same point of view as him...wow, we have freedom xD.
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"He was concerned only with the naked fundamentals of life. The warm intimacies of small, kindly things, the sentiments and delicious trivialities that make up so much of civilized men's lives were meaningless to him. A wolf was no less a wolf because a whim of chance caused him to run with the watch-dogs. Bloodshed and violence and savagery were the natural elements of the life Conan knew; he could not, and would never, understand the little things that are so dear to civilized men and women."

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Postby Lasastard » Jun 24, 2012 11:14

Brilliant how some people tear apart this effort with their unqualified comments just for the sake of it. It doesn't matter a damn who gets to be on this council as long as it means a more direct and eye-to-eye dialogue between players and staff. So just stfu...honestly.
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Postby bodoterror6 » Jun 24, 2012 11:19

Luydor wrote:
preak wrote:well, when I read this, I think I could help FOR ALBION!
...tell me in some month if it is worth it :)


Mh you think a good team need people that come when the work is done?
We could need some albs, somehow I have some problem to find some.

My alliance has been going strong for over 2 years. Or wait...I dont support the staff enough to be invited into this illustrious council. Good luck with it. I hope it works out well for Uthgard.


So why you don't write me a pm that you think you would be good for that or have a member in your alliance for that. I just said that I have two persons from Midgard. The estimated balance should be around 12 Members 3 mid 3 albs 3 hibs 2 special ( Us/other timezone ) 1 organizer for example.

Process for Holsten
Zerglead (++)
Zerg (++)
8vs8 (++)
Smallgroup (+)
Solo (--)
Casaul (+)
Guildleader (++)
Allianceleader (++)
Liked by nearly everybody (++)
Plays sometimes US PT (+)
can be neutral (++)

Process for Rector

Zerglead (+)
Zerg (++)
8vs8 (-+)
Smallgroup (+)
Solo (++)
Casaul (++)
Guildleader (++)
Allianceleader (++)
Liked by nearly everybody (++)
Plays sometimes US PT (+)
can be neutral (++)

Greetz Luydor


HOLSTEN ? RECTOR ? REALLY ? why everytime you choose 2 of your friends? rector solo ? gimme a break, holsten liked by everybody? gimme a break. i wouldn't agree with you 3 ego maniacs to be known as my "boss" (head council or whatever). Holsten and Rector doesn't know ****** about what people want/think in midgard. Get lost with your council this is the crappiest thing i ever heard
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Postby Lasastard » Jun 24, 2012 11:27

HOLSTEN ? RECTOR ? REALLY ? why everytime you choose 2 of your friends? rector solo ? gimme a break, holsten liked by everybody? gimme a break. i wouldn't agree with you 3 ego maniacs to be known as my "boss" (head council or whatever). Holsten and Rector doesn't know [I am a little bunny and like flowers] about what people want/think in midgard. Get lost with your council this is the crappiest thing i ever heard


Give us the benefit of your thinking then, who would be best and why exactly would it be a problem for the community to be represented by these people when it comes to discussing upcoming changes, the direction of development and how changes are being perceived by the players? I am not a fan of Holsten's gaming ethos, not a secret, but I can appreciate that he has played the game for a long time, participates in various aspects of the game - including realm-wide zerg events - so what the hell is your ****** problem?

No one needs these random, angry and nonconstructive comments. Be thankful that this is being initiated - and we'll see down the line whether it works or not and who should or shouldn't be involved.
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Postby Luydor » Jun 24, 2012 12:19

Well, here you see why I need people to work with, instead of people that can complain in walls of text with out giving a hint how to do it better. Im happy that some people already wrote me a pm with people that can do that for real.

Greetz Luydor
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Postby Raggnar » Jun 24, 2012 12:36

Lasastard wrote:Brilliant how some people tear apart this effort with their unqualified comments just for the sake of it. It doesn't matter a damn who gets to be on this council as long as it means a more direct and eye-to-eye dialogue between players and staff. So just stfu...honestly.


Look bro, I understand what are you trying to say and I agree with you that it's good that someone got the things going. However, does that mean we should satisfy with anyone? I don't know if you play Midgard or not, but trust me that guys secluded in German alliances don't know anything about what the general population wants. As I said before, I like those guys as my realm mates and as individuals, but I don't think they are the voice of the realm. So yes, it does matter who gets in this council. If it's a council, we need some diversity, not 3 guys with exactly same views. If Midgard will have 3 people in it, we need 3 completely different guys from different time zones/alliances/spheres of play. In order to get anything even close to the truth, you need to view things from many perspectives, at least I think so. I respect the effort, my guild and my alliance support it strongly, but if it is to be done, let's do it properly and not just satisfy with "OH YES, AT LEAST SOMEONE IS TRYING SO IT DOESN'T EVEN MATTER WHO WE TAKE, AS LONG AS WE HAVE A COUNCIL". Thinking like that tends to backfire man...I've seen it happen in all spheres of life, not just in video games :). Don't you find it a bit funny that a person organizing this even has the right to nominate someone? If Luydor has at least 1% influence on the decision who will be elected, he should not have the right to nominate anyone, otherwise it's a conflict of interests. Also, thinking like this reminds me of 4th grade football tournament, our captain was the far best player so he was the one picking the team. He chose some good guys from our class, but he also chose two guys with two left feet...because they lived in his street. I respect your guild, as well as Morrigan's breath, you are all nice and fair guys who don't mindlessly add every fight just to get some RPS(having "RED IS DEAD" as an excuse like addengarde), but you need to play Midgard more to understand how things work here. I see no fairness in these nominations, for more than one reason.


As I stated earlier, someone being a guild leader, alliance leader or liked nearly by all does not qualify that person, not even remotely. Also, it's very arrogant to say that someone is liked nearly by all as I explained in my earlier post, there is just no way of knowing that for sure. As for Luydor, nice guy but I don't think he knows what's going on in his guild, let alone Midgard.
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Postby Luydor » Jun 24, 2012 12:45

Well, could it be that you try to tell me with the 4th post now that you want to have one from you alliance? Why you just don't write that?

Anyway I guess Im in touch with a ppl form your alliance I guess that tell me they will search for propose from their alliance.

Btw, I should play more midgard? You know that even we both played sometimes together in the same group?

Greetz Luydor
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Postby Raggnar » Jun 24, 2012 12:56

Luydor wrote:Well, could it be that you try to tell me with the 4th post now that you want to have one from you alliance? Why you just don't write that?

Anyway I guess Im in touch with a ppl form your alliance I guess that tell me they will search for propose from their alliance.

Btw, I should play more midgard? You know that even we both played sometimes together in the same group?

Greetz Luydor


I said guy from Hib should play more Midgard to understand how things work here, not you. I stated that you don't know what's going on, and picking three guys from exactly same surroundings won't help as well. No, I don't necessarily want a guy from my alliance. I'm fine with one guy representing the German alliances, one from US, and one International. That person does not even need to be guilded or in any kind of alliance, if he plays actively with many players from his time zone or sphere of play(solo, 8v8, small group), he knows a lot of people and talks to them on a daily basis, he may know far more about how people feel than someone who has titles(head of guild, head of alliance) or realm ranks. Again, the fact that someone is organizing relic raids or zerg events does not mean that person communicates in any way with the rest of the realm. Most of these zerg events are not about any real interaction, we just listen to the leader and move with the zerg, so if other players did not communicate with leader(which is logical, cause there is no time during the zerg), how the hell does he know how they feel about anything? Being an active member of the community and organizing events is one thing, knowing how the community feels in general is something completely different. I appreciate your idea, but stuff you are suggesting is like the Imperial Senate in Star Wars...you are Palpatine, Holsten and Rector are your puppets, and others are the Rebel alliance getting ****** in the ass...and we have no Luke Skywalker to save us XD.
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"He was concerned only with the naked fundamentals of life. The warm intimacies of small, kindly things, the sentiments and delicious trivialities that make up so much of civilized men's lives were meaningless to him. A wolf was no less a wolf because a whim of chance caused him to run with the watch-dogs. Bloodshed and violence and savagery were the natural elements of the life Conan knew; he could not, and would never, understand the little things that are so dear to civilized men and women."

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Postby Luydor » Jun 24, 2012 13:07

Nice how you think about us :D. You really thing that Holsten is my puppy, funny why he add then my fights -.-.
Well, when i see you last post, I can tell you, you will be fine with the people that will join the council, because they are matching the most point of your post.

Greetz Luydor
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Postby Raggnar » Jun 24, 2012 13:16

Luydor wrote:Nice how you think about us :D. You really thing that Holsten is my puppy, funny why he add then my fights -.-.
Well, when i see you last post, I can tell you, you will be fine with the people that will join the council, because they are matching the most point of your post.

Greetz Luydor


Well, I was not saying Holsten is your puppet in general, but I was trying metaphorically put it in the current context of the election, nothing else :). Also, I know you are not an idiot or whatever, so I believe you will do the right thing. Just saying, 2-3 people coming from completely same surroundings seem kinda limited to me. Btw, if Blutrausch is to have a representative, why not Ronk? I believe he is more in touch with the general Midgard community than anyone from that guild.
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"He was concerned only with the naked fundamentals of life. The warm intimacies of small, kindly things, the sentiments and delicious trivialities that make up so much of civilized men's lives were meaningless to him. A wolf was no less a wolf because a whim of chance caused him to run with the watch-dogs. Bloodshed and violence and savagery were the natural elements of the life Conan knew; he could not, and would never, understand the little things that are so dear to civilized men and women."

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