Hi I m leveling a SB with autotrain. I was wondering if this spec was viable to start pvp with:

Envenom: 34
Stealth: 39
Axe: 33
Left Axe: 39
Critical Strike: 34

Any advice welcome!

Thx

dams0622 wrote:Hi I m leveling a SB with autotrain. I was wondering if this spec was viable to start pvp with:

Envenom: 34
Stealth: 39
Axe: 33
Left Axe: 39
Critical Strike: 34

Any advice welcome!

Thx

You know that when u reach certain RealmRank you get some +X bonus to all skills? (Here)

I advice you to lower stealth to 36, so at 4L you will have 36 (+14) = 50, and increase Envenom 36 to reach 50 for the lifebane poison ^^

Ok good idea thanks I hope I won't have too many problems without 50 in stealth

You only need 49 composite in Thidranki so you'll be fine.

For lvl 50

50 stealth (with items and rr)
51 weapon (with items and rr)
50 envenom (with items and rr)
34 cs
rest into la

LA is not like DW or CD. Full LA is much better than full weapon.

For rr4

50 LA
36 stealth
36 envenom
36 weapon
10 cs

imamizer wrote:LA is not like DW or CD. Full LA is much better than full weapon.

What the hell are you talking ?

Nef Melody wrote:

imamizer wrote:LA is not like DW or CD. Full LA is much better than full weapon.

What the hell are you talking ?

As i know LA mechanic is different. SB hit ever with his left hand while ns or infi only 65% of swings or something like that.

Nef Melody wrote:

imamizer wrote:LA is not like DW or CD. Full LA is much better than full weapon.

What the hell are you talking ?

LA will always swing both weapons though you may miss. However, the damage done by both weapons is determined by your spec in LA. Your damage for each weapon is modified by:
Modified damage = Base damage * (.625 + .0034 * LA)
Therefore, if you're going to use 2 weapons with LA you should have a good spec in LA, otherwise just use one weapon. There is also some testing to support that your to-hit is also affected by LA spec.
With 0 LA, you will only do 62.5% of your normal damage.
With 50+11 LA, you will do 79.5% of your normal damage.

That is the hell i'm talking about.

imamizer wrote:L
Therefore, if you're going to use 2 weapons with LA you should have a good spec in LA, otherwise just use one weapon. False (1)
There is also some testing to support that your to-hit is also affected by LA spec.
With 0 LA, you will only do 62.5% of your normal damage.
With 50+11 LA, you will do 79.5% of your normal damage.

(1) 1H -> 100% of damage (of course)
And as u said : 0 LA -> Modified damage = Base damage * .625, but 2 weapon, so 125% of damage with the 2 weapons, of course with weapon of same speed. And effective gain is more important when u use haste effect.
By the way, with Dual Wield or Celtic Dual spec, off hand swing rate is : 25 + 0.68*spec.
With 0 spec, that's a 25% swing rate, so +25% damage with 2 weapons of same speed, exactly the same gain than LA spec.

The damage gain by spec is strictly the same with LA mechanics and CD/DW.

The main difference are on others points :
- you always take benefit of haste effect with LA
- GR of LA style are far better

GR of LA =~ GR of CS >>> GR of DW / CD
That's why Shadowzerk is more effective than "shadowmerc".

What about the miss rate?

imamizer wrote:What about the miss rate?

Don't know.
I try to gather as much info as i can on mechanics of the game, but i never found that spec could reduce the miss rate.
When u say "miss rate", u don't talk about defense penetration, juste simple "miss your target" ?

HulkGris wrote:

imamizer wrote:What about the miss rate?

Don't know.
I try to gather as much info as i can on mechanics of the game, but i never found that spec could reduce the miss rate.
When u say "miss rate", u don't talk about defense penetration, juste simple "miss your target" ?

Yes just that one. Not sure if 0 LA = 50 LA for hit chance but some guides say they are not. I don't have any sb or zerker here to test it unfortunately.

1. you will always hit with your offhand with zerker/sb
2. you said full la is better than full weapon that is what i meant with ''what the hell are you talking about''

it is always useless to have more than 51 weapon (with items and rr) if you use la/cs styles only.