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Kalt Warder Posts: 18 Joined: Jun 11, 2012 09:11	by Kalt » Jun 11, 2012 13:22 I already enjoy the activity of your community BTW we are going for a INF/Mincer combo now since we are not playing at fixed times which makes it prolly hard to find good 8man groups. See you soon in Emain!

Blue Developer Posts: 15822 Joined: Apr 22, 2005 00:00	by Blue » Jun 11, 2012 13:49 @Lasastard: You overrate guard tasking imo. My number was from peak (which is around 21:30 - 22:30) in prime time and it was quite crowded at that time. I think it would be interesting to see a radar map of whole OF at such times. It's done when it's done. Thanks for your patience. Every bug gets fixed. Sooner or later. "It is an inescapable law of nature that the amount of satisfaction one gains from achieving something is related to how hard it is and easy things can only elicit a fleeting superficial sort of pleasure." Blue says, "you used macro tools or macro keyboard" Pala says, "i am disabled. and i have a mechanic left hand that can be programed. its hard to play woith one hand" [Appeal] Bxxxxxxxx: "why is RA first aid cann man i stealth use and not unstealth cann man ra if man use unstealth ?????????" BannedUser: "i was not using automate game action my hand was fall on keyboard during i was sleep .... i was completly fall on keyboard ..."

Zarkor Unicorn Knight Posts: 3710 Joined: Aug 15, 2006 00:00 Location: Antwerp, Flanders, Belgium	by Zarkor » Jun 11, 2012 15:06 Blue wrote:@Lasastard: You overrate guard tasking imo. My number was from peak (which is around 21:30 - 22:30) in prime time and it was quite crowded at that time. I think it would be interesting to see a radar map of whole OF at such times. Guard tasking shouldn't even be in the game. It's one of those horrible features we saw in WAR where players rather killed NPCs for RPs than actually fight. Players on Uthgard are already forming full groups to go hunt guards in areas where it's so much work for others to come find them that they usually get left alone anyway, effectively avoiding real RvR. I hope we can get rid of these horrendous monstrocities as soon as possible, RPs should be rewarded for actual RvR, not just the clearing of respawning NPCs... (A good time can be the implementation of keep ports) In defense of truth-to-experience.

Snigel Eagle Knight Posts: 564 Joined: Jun 19, 2009 00:00 Location: M A R S	by Snigel » Jun 11, 2012 15:19 Zarkor wrote:Players on Uthgard are already forming full groups to go hunt guards in areas where it's so much work for others to come find them that they usually get left alone anyway, effectively avoiding real RvR. Sorry for getting OT here but: Nobody is avoiding your self defined real RvR guys. People tasking in the frontiers generate a lot of RvR action! Just because you´re to lazy to search them doesn´t mean tasking is the problem It´s kinda laughable to see people that want to improve RvR cry about taskers running and complain about Uthgards "bad" RvR situation ... Welcome Kalt, enjoy the game! Satas Hakx - various artists

Kalt Warder Posts: 18 Joined: Jun 11, 2012 09:11	by Kalt » Jun 11, 2012 15:22 Snigel wrote: Welcome Kalt, enjoy the game! thx!

Blue Developer Posts: 15822 Joined: Apr 22, 2005 00:00	by Blue » Jun 11, 2012 15:36 Snigel has a valid point here. I think the problem (for some) with taskers comes when soloer are able to do these tasks. There is nothing against a small group which tries to do keep tasks and get rewarded for it. If there is no RvR action at all that is a valid alternative and can ignite RvR action as we have seen numerous times. It's done when it's done. Thanks for your patience. Every bug gets fixed. Sooner or later. "It is an inescapable law of nature that the amount of satisfaction one gains from achieving something is related to how hard it is and easy things can only elicit a fleeting superficial sort of pleasure." Blue says, "you used macro tools or macro keyboard" Pala says, "i am disabled. and i have a mechanic left hand that can be programed. its hard to play woith one hand" [Appeal] Bxxxxxxxx: "why is RA first aid cann man i stealth use and not unstealth cann man ra if man use unstealth ?????????" BannedUser: "i was not using automate game action my hand was fall on keyboard during i was sleep .... i was completly fall on keyboard ..."

Pyat Myrmidon Posts: 113 Joined: Nov 12, 2009 01:00	by Pyat » Jun 11, 2012 16:05 The herald helps a lot here. The last weeks i've done some tasker hunting and when you find them it actualy is fun killing them with a lot less. The sad thing is when they obviously just want to task and even run away with 8 against 3-4.

Edymus Gryphon Knight Posts: 294 Joined: Jan 30, 2011 22:49	by Edymus » Jun 11, 2012 17:43 RvR Grp = u need 7 Friends and some RR RvR Solo = Thidranki to 4L2 -> Guardtasks to 6L0 -> Killing lvl 36 - 45ish in DF/RvR-Dungeons to 8L0. That's the way on Uthgard I'll hope u enjoy

testytesty1234 Myrmidon Posts: 118 Joined: Mar 31, 2010 00:00	by testytesty1234 » Jun 11, 2012 18:29 Edymus wrote:RvR Grp = u need 7 Friends and some RR RvR Solo = Thidranki to 4L2 -> Guardtasks to 6L0 -> Killing lvl 36 - 45ish in DF/RvR-Dungeons to 8L0. That's the way on Uthgard I'll hope u enjoy Don't forgett the horse route! Hell id still be camping ellyls if they didn't nerf them Pattches Ohoulihan Malloy Mickee McFinnigan Caltrans CausinTraffic Innera Dontbanethedillies Rockatansky Mfp

Edymus Gryphon Knight Posts: 294 Joined: Jan 30, 2011 22:49	by Edymus » Jun 11, 2012 19:35 testytesty1234 wrote: Edymus wrote:RvR Grp = u need 7 Friends and some RR RvR Solo = Thidranki to 4L2 -> Guardtasks to 6L0 -> Killing lvl 36 - 45ish in DF/RvR-Dungeons to 8L0. That's the way on Uthgard I'll hope u enjoy Don't forgett the horse route! Hell id still be camping ellyls if they didn't nerf them ah right ! and i forget : become a youtube hero at 8L0+

Galandriel2 Phoenix Knight Posts: 1662 Joined: Nov 26, 2010 18:08	by Galandriel2 » Jun 11, 2012 19:49 guard tasks are for gay ppl [12:46] <Roundhouse_> actualy galandriel and blackbeard the master challenges out on heavytanks [23:52] <Skarz> u are best skald i seen for long time

Zarkor Unicorn Knight Posts: 3710 Joined: Aug 15, 2006 00:00 Location: Antwerp, Flanders, Belgium	by Zarkor » Jun 11, 2012 20:06 Blue wrote:There is nothing against a small group which tries to do keep tasks and get rewarded for it. Wrong. There is everything against getting RPs for killing NPCs. EVERYTHING. This is not DAoC RvR, it will never be DAoC RvR. Being able to earn realmranks just by doing PvE is a disgrace, really. All the other arguments for or against don't even matter, this is what it comes down to. These tasks do not belong on a DAoC server, ESPECIALLY not a classic one. I rest my case. In defense of truth-to-experience.

Icharus Myrmidon Posts: 212 Joined: Oct 18, 2009 00:00	by Icharus » Jun 11, 2012 20:14 Zarkor wrote: Blue wrote:There is nothing against a small group which tries to do keep tasks and get rewarded for it. Wrong. There is everything against getting RPs for killing NPCs. EVERYTHING. This is not DAoC RvR, it will never be DAoC RvR. Being able to earn realmranks just by doing PvE is a disgrace, really. All the other arguments for or against don't even matter, this is what it comes down to. These tasks do not belong on a DAoC server, ESPECIALLY not a classic one. I rest my case. So the PUGs will only face RR10+ groups and never hit level 50 RvR.. instead opting to reroll and play in BGs. Why you have your panties in a bunch over players who are trying to get some RR to compete in RvR (which can stimulate non high RR/set GG RvR) is beyond me. They aren't hurting anyone and if anything they help draw out other less competitive groups which bring more numbers to overall RvR. In your 'perfect world' the only people who would RvR during primetime would be only a couple of high RR groups for each realm. Everyone else wouldn't set foot in RvR unless all of these enemy guilds were known to be offline. Take your myopic viewpoint and peddle it someplace else!!

Juri Eagle Knight Posts: 766 Joined: Mar 10, 2011 03:18	by Juri » Jun 11, 2012 20:29 Icharus wrote:So the PUGs will only face RR10+ groups and never hit level 50 RvR..[...] Wrong, taking guardtasks off will force every player who wants to do RPs to go in the frontiers... All of them, either if 4L or 10L. You may lose against 10L+ (everybody did at the start but hey, here we are, I'm 9L4 and i did 99% of it in Emain against Rare, GDRW, Black Adders...), but chances are you'll find 4L+ groups just like you against which you can compete. On a side note, 10L doesn't automatically mean 'lost inc' if you know what you're doing.

Zarkor Unicorn Knight Posts: 3710 Joined: Aug 15, 2006 00:00 Location: Antwerp, Flanders, Belgium	by Zarkor » Jun 11, 2012 21:34 Icharus wrote:In your 'perfect world' the only people who would RvR during primetime would be only a couple of high RR groups for each realm. Nope, like Juri said, everyone would simply have to get realm points by actually fighting off the enemy realm. This is how it's always been, and always should be. I will agree that casual RvR has its problems on Uthgard, I have been advocating solutions for a long time now. In fact, you do have a point, casual RvR as it stands now is close to inexistant really. That is why guard tasks seem to be 'working'. Even the slightest increase of casual RvR is huge, because in reality there barely is any. However guard tasks are no solution. In fact they will only grow to be a nuisance the longer they are in place. Some people will in fact take the guard task route to RRx before they even bother with actually trying to fight enemies. Providing the possibility to even consider doing this is just wrong. Casual RvR needs to be fixed thoroughly and structurally. Guard tasks are not part of the solution, they're a mere bandaid with some nasty side effects. That's why I'm proposing to remove guard tasks together with the keep (porting) overhaul, so that the players who prefer casual RvR, or those who just can not compete for whatever reason with what is out in Emain, have a chance to find their own piece of the action instead of having to resort to BGs. In defense of truth-to-experience.