Dear Blue,

i'd like a confirmation from you about the evade formula:

er = (evade * 5) + (((dex + qui) - 100) / 40)

I know the maximum value that "(dex + qui)" can have, is 500.
I always thought that it was equally shared between the two stats, so to
have a maximum of 250 points from each stat (soft cap).

Yesterday, reading this thread: viewtopic.php?f=65&t=20102
i saw that it's not exactly as i thought, but that the 500 factor cap can be reached also,
for example, having 200 qui and 300 dex. Is this true?

I want to know that because when selfbuffed, with my ranger, i had 248 qui and 280 dex and thought
i had (dex + qui) = 498.
For this reason i used an acennan to put 2 points of the initial 30 on qui, so to have 250 qui and, in my mind,
a round bonus of +10% to my evade.
Was that a useless move? (Only talking about evade)

Please tell me so that i can restore my old starting stats eventually

Cheers.

dex+qui (248+280=528) go fully into your evade calculation.

Evade caps itself still apply.

Blue wrote:dex+qui (248+280=528) go fully into your evade calculation.

Evade caps itself still apply.

Wow, so this means that with 528 total, i get a +10,7% bonus on my ranger base of 15%?
(Not counting things as bonus/malus from opponent level, mine vs his weapon spec, etc etc)

I dont know how it is on uthgard. but on live the stat bonus to evade is scaled by your evade level. this is why it was comonly believed that using a block or evade mythirian on live "unlocked" the stat bonus for evade for low evade classes. but when you plugged in the data it showed that dex did effect even the low evade classes, but it that they were only getting a fractional benefit.

i.e. a class with evade 1 only gets 1/7th of the stat bonus to evade that a nightshade gets. or in the case of your ranger, it should only be 3/7ths. but thats live. on uthgard who knows.

Solely because it might not be livelike on uthgard and any nerf to defensive rates for lower evade classes would help to nerf melee rangers... inc dump of a ton of test logs...

formatting a little ugly because I tried to jam a ton of information into one concatenate string in excel to make copy paste easier....

and for people who say you need more test data to prove anything... some brief totals for you:

TOTAL SWINGS USED FOR EVADE DATA: 58,234 (my full test data pool is 83,948 swings but a big chunk of that was block data)
TOTAL NUMBER OF EVADES: 9,385

what you will see is that low evade classes do not get the same benefit to their evade rates from dex and quick that assassins do.

Test Name: infil test 1 NOTES (Atacker): fully buffed inf Attacker WS (or approximation): 1475 DEXTERITY: 388 QUICKNESS: 262 EVADE: 7 EVADE MYTH: 0 PARRY SKILL: 0 MoParry: 0 PARRY MYTH: 0 SHIELD SKILL: 0 MoBlock: 0 BLOCK MYTH: 0 ATTACKS: 1317 EVADES: 567(0.430523917995444) PARRYS: 0(0) BLOCKS: 0(0)" MISSES: 123(0.164)" HITS: 627(0.476082004555809)

Test Name: infil test 2 NOTES (Atacker): fully buffed inf Attacker WS (or approximation): 1475 DEXTERITY: 388 QUICKNESS: 262 EVADE: 7 EVADE MYTH: 0.06 PARRY SKILL: 0 MoParry: 0 PARRY MYTH: 0 SHIELD SKILL: 0 MoBlock: 0 BLOCK MYTH: 0 ATTACKS: 1310 EVADES: 626(0.477862595419847) PARRYS: 0(0) BLOCKS: 0(0)" MISSES: 103(0.150584795321637)" HITS: 581(0.443511450381679)

Test Name: infil test 3 NOTES (Atacker): fully buffed inf Attacker WS (or approximation): 1475 DEXTERITY: 297 QUICKNESS: 250 EVADE: 7 EVADE MYTH: 0 PARRY SKILL: 0 MoParry: 0 PARRY MYTH: 0 SHIELD SKILL: 0 MoBlock: 0 BLOCK MYTH: 0 ATTACKS: 1355 EVADES: 551(0.406642066420664) PARRYS: 0(0) BLOCKS: 0(0)" MISSES: 107(0.133084577114428)" HITS: 697(0.514391143911439)

Test Name: infil test 4 NOTES (Atacker): fully buffed inf Attacker WS (or approximation): 1475 DEXTERITY: 297 QUICKNESS: 250 EVADE: 7 EVADE MYTH: 0.06 PARRY SKILL: 0 MoParry: 0 PARRY MYTH: 0 SHIELD SKILL: 0 MoBlock: 0 BLOCK MYTH: 0 ATTACKS: 916 EVADES: 415(0.453056768558952) PARRYS: 0(0) BLOCKS: 0(0)" MISSES: 73(0.145708582834331)" HITS: 428(0.467248908296943)

Test Name: merc-merc NOTES (Atacker): merc same stats Attacker WS (or approximation): 1788 DEXTERITY: 349 QUICKNESS: 250 EVADE: 1 EVADE MYTH: 0 PARRY SKILL: ? MoParry: ? PARRY MYTH: 0 SHIELD SKILL: 0 MoBlock: 0 BLOCK MYTH: 0 ATTACKS: 7263 EVADES: 301(0.0414429299187664) PARRYS: ?(?) BLOCKS: ?(?)" MISSES: ?(?)" HITS: ?(?)

Test Name: minst-minst NOTES (Atacker): minst same stats Attacker WS (or approximation): 1427 DEXTERITY: 349 QUICKNESS: 250 EVADE: 2 EVADE MYTH: 0 PARRY SKILL: ? MoParry: ? PARRY MYTH: 0 SHIELD SKILL: 0.000001 MoBlock: 0 BLOCK MYTH: 0 ATTACKS: 7219 EVADES: 805(0.111511289652306) PARRYS: ?(?) BLOCKS: ?(?)" MISSES: ?(?)" HITS: ?(?)

Test Name: reaver (merc) NOTES (Atacker): merc same stats (200 more wpnskill) Attacker WS (or approximation): 1788 DEXTERITY: 349 QUICKNESS: 250 EVADE: 1 EVADE MYTH: 0 PARRY SKILL: ? MoParry: ? PARRY MYTH: 0 SHIELD SKILL: ? MoBlock: ? BLOCK MYTH: 0 ATTACKS: 1643 EVADES: 70(0.0426049908703591) PARRYS: (?) BLOCKS: (?)" MISSES: (?)" HITS: (?)

Test Name: merc (reaver) NOTES (Atacker): reaver same stats (200 less wpnskill) Attacker WS (or approximation): 1588 DEXTERITY: 349 QUICKNESS: 250 EVADE: 1 EVADE MYTH: 0 PARRY SKILL: ? MoParry: ? PARRY MYTH: 0 SHIELD SKILL: 0 MoBlock: 0 BLOCK MYTH: 0 ATTACKS: 1644 EVADES: 83(0.0504866180048662) PARRYS: (?) BLOCKS: (?)" MISSES: (?)" HITS: (?)

Test Name: Ortofon minst (buffed) NOTES (Atacker): fully buffed arms, block myth Attacker WS (or approximation): 1587 DEXTERITY: 352 QUICKNESS: 202 EVADE: 2 EVADE MYTH: 0 PARRY SKILL: 0 MoParry: 0 PARRY MYTH: 0 SHIELD SKILL: 0.000001 MoBlock: 0 BLOCK MYTH: 0.06 ATTACKS: 1049 EVADES: 106(0.101048617731173) PARRYS: 0(0) BLOCKS: 163(0.172852598091198)" MISSES: 134(0.171794871794872)" HITS: 646(0.61582459485224)

Test Name: Ortofon minst (buffed) NOTES (Atacker): unbuffed arms, block myth Attacker WS (or approximation): 1077 DEXTERITY: 352 QUICKNESS: 202 EVADE: 2 EVADE MYTH: 0 PARRY SKILL: 0 MoParry: 0 PARRY MYTH: 0 SHIELD SKILL: 0.000001 MoBlock: 0 BLOCK MYTH: 0.06 ATTACKS: 1143 EVADES: 169(0.147856517935258) PARRYS: 0(0) BLOCKS: 218(0.223819301848049)" MISSES: 130(0.171957671957672)" HITS: 626(0.547681539807524)

Test Name: Ortofon minst (buffed) NOTES (Atacker): fully buffed arms, evade myth Attacker WS (or approximation): 1587 DEXTERITY: 352 QUICKNESS: 202 EVADE: 2 EVADE MYTH: 0.06 PARRY SKILL: 0 MoParry: 0 PARRY MYTH: 0 SHIELD SKILL: 0.000001 MoBlock: 0 BLOCK MYTH: 0 ATTACKS: 1076 EVADES: 136(0.12639405204461) PARRYS: 0(0) BLOCKS: 110(0.117021276595745)" MISSES: 154(0.185542168674699)" HITS: 676(0.628252788104089)

Test Name: Ortofon minst (no dex) NOTES (Atacker): fully buffed arms, evade myth Attacker WS (or approximation): 1587 DEXTERITY: 197 QUICKNESS: 109 EVADE: 2 EVADE MYTH: 0.06 PARRY SKILL: 0 MoParry: 0 PARRY MYTH: 0 SHIELD SKILL: 0.000001 MoBlock: 0 BLOCK MYTH: 0 ATTACKS: 1047 EVADES: 159(0.151862464183381) PARRYS: 0(0) BLOCKS: 62(0.0698198198198198)" MISSES: 150(0.181598062953995)" HITS: 676(0.645654250238777)

Test Name: Ortofon minst (unbuffed) NOTES (Atacker): fully buffed arms, heal myth Attacker WS (or approximation): 1587 DEXTERITY: 352 QUICKNESS: 202 EVADE: 2 EVADE MYTH: 0 PARRY SKILL: 0 MoParry: 0 PARRY MYTH: 0 SHIELD SKILL: 0.000001 MoBlock: 0 BLOCK MYTH: 0 ATTACKS: 1059 EVADES: 73(0.068932955618508) PARRYS: 0(0) BLOCKS: 78(0.0791075050709939)" MISSES: 149(0.164096916299559)" HITS: 759(0.71671388101983)

Test Name: Ortofon minst (no str) NOTES (Atacker): fully buffed arms, heal myth Attacker WS (or approximation): 1587 DEXTERITY: 352 QUICKNESS: 202 EVADE: 2 EVADE MYTH: 0 PARRY SKILL: 0 MoParry: 0 PARRY MYTH: 0 SHIELD SKILL: 0.000001 MoBlock: 0 BLOCK MYTH: 0 ATTACKS: 823 EVADES: 77(0.0935601458080194) PARRYS: 0(0) BLOCKS: 65(0.0871313672922252)" MISSES: 119(0.174743024963289)" HITS: 562(0.682867557715674)

Test Name: Ortofon minst (buffed) NOTES (Atacker): fully buffed arms, heal myth Attacker WS (or approximation): 1587 DEXTERITY: 352 QUICKNESS: 202 EVADE: 2 EVADE MYTH: 0 PARRY SKILL: 0 MoParry: 0 PARRY MYTH: 0 SHIELD SKILL: 0.000001 MoBlock: 0 BLOCK MYTH: 0 ATTACKS: 971 EVADES: 78(0.0803295571575695) PARRYS: 0(0) BLOCKS: 101(0.113101903695409)" MISSES: 150(0.189393939393939)" HITS: 642(0.661174047373841)

Test Name: Deravarl merc (buffed) NOTES (Atacker): Xonn inf, fully buffed Attacker WS (or approximation): 1445 DEXTERITY: 328 QUICKNESS: 212 EVADE: 1 EVADE MYTH: 0 PARRY SKILL: 40 MoParry: 2 PARRY MYTH: 0 SHIELD SKILL: 54 MoBlock: 3 BLOCK MYTH: 0 ATTACKS: 1558 EVADES: 79(0.0507060333761232) PARRYS: 515(0.348208248816768) BLOCKS: 605(0.627593360995851)" MISSES: 42(0.116991643454039)" HITS: 317(0.203465982028241)

Test Name: skruffy scout (buffed) NOTES (Atacker): Ayerone pally, fully buffed Attacker WS (or approximation): 1525 DEXTERITY: 399 QUICKNESS: 195 EVADE: 3 EVADE MYTH: 0 PARRY SKILL: 0 MoParry: 0 PARRY MYTH: 0 SHIELD SKILL: 56 MoBlock: 2 BLOCK MYTH: 0.06 ATTACKS: 738 EVADES: 130(0.176151761517615) PARRYS: 0(0) BLOCKS: 339(0.557565789473684)" MISSES: 43(0.159851301115242)" HITS: 226(0.306233062330623)

Test Name: Oxy scout (buffed) NOTES (Atacker): Ayerone pally, fully buffed Attacker WS (or approximation): 1525 DEXTERITY: 395 QUICKNESS: 250 EVADE: 3 EVADE MYTH: 0.06 PARRY SKILL: 0 MoParry: 0 PARRY MYTH: 0 SHIELD SKILL: 56 MoBlock: 3 BLOCK MYTH: 0 ATTACKS: 901 EVADES: 224(0.248612652608213) PARRYS: 0(0) BLOCKS: 376(0.555391432791728)" MISSES: 34(0.112956810631229)" HITS: 267(0.296337402885683)

Test Name: Morgash 12/14/09 . Merc1 NOTES (Atacker): Armsman 456 str, 50+18 slash Attacker WS (or approximation): 2000 DEXTERITY: 83 QUICKNESS: 157 EVADE: 1 EVADE MYTH: 0 PARRY SKILL: ? MoParry: ? PARRY MYTH: 0 SHIELD SKILL: ? MoBlock: ? BLOCK MYTH: 0 ATTACKS: 1327 EVADES: 19(0.014318010550113) PARRYS: ?(?) BLOCKS: ?(?)" MISSES: ?(?)" HITS: ?(?)

Test Name: Morgash 12/14/09 . Merc2 NOTES (Atacker): Armsman 456 str, 50+18 slash Attacker WS (or approximation): 2000 DEXTERITY: 158 QUICKNESS: 157 EVADE: 1 EVADE MYTH: 0 PARRY SKILL: ? MoParry: ? PARRY MYTH: 0 SHIELD SKILL: ? MoBlock: ? BLOCK MYTH: 0 ATTACKS: 1431 EVADES: 38(0.026554856743536) PARRYS: ?(?) BLOCKS: ?(?)" MISSES: ?(?)" HITS: ?(?)

Test Name: Morgash 12/14/09 . Merc3 NOTES (Atacker): Armsman 456 str, 50+18 slash Attacker WS (or approximation): 2000 DEXTERITY: 238 QUICKNESS: 250 EVADE: 1 EVADE MYTH: 0 PARRY SKILL: ? MoParry: ? PARRY MYTH: 0 SHIELD SKILL: ? MoBlock: ? BLOCK MYTH: 0 ATTACKS: 2252 EVADES: 74(0.0328596802841918) PARRYS: ?(?) BLOCKS: ?(?)" MISSES: ?(?)" HITS: ?(?)

Test Name: Morgash 12/14/09 . Merc4 NOTES (Atacker): Armsman 456 str, 50+18 slash Attacker WS (or approximation): 2000 DEXTERITY: 313 QUICKNESS: 250 EVADE: 1 EVADE MYTH: 0 PARRY SKILL: ? MoParry: ? PARRY MYTH: 0 SHIELD SKILL: ? MoBlock: ? BLOCK MYTH: 0 ATTACKS: 1224 EVADES: 43(0.0351307189542484) PARRYS: ?(?) BLOCKS: ?(?)" MISSES: ?(?)" HITS: ?(?)

Test Name: Morgash 12/14/09 . Merc5 NOTES (Atacker): Minstrel 65 str, 1+18 slash Attacker WS (or approximation): 800 DEXTERITY: 313 QUICKNESS: 250 EVADE: 1 EVADE MYTH: 0 PARRY SKILL: ? MoParry: ? PARRY MYTH: 0 SHIELD SKILL: ? MoBlock: ? BLOCK MYTH: 0 ATTACKS: 1153 EVADES: 145(0.125758889852559) PARRYS: ?(?) BLOCKS: ?(?)" MISSES: ?(?)" HITS: ?(?)

Test Name: Morgash 12/14/09 . Merc6 NOTES (Atacker): Minstrel 300 str, 33+18 slash Attacker WS (or approximation): 1375 DEXTERITY: 313 QUICKNESS: 250 EVADE: 1 EVADE MYTH: 0 PARRY SKILL: ? MoParry: ? PARRY MYTH: 0 SHIELD SKILL: ? MoBlock: ? BLOCK MYTH: 0 ATTACKS: 3831 EVADES: 175(0.0456799791177238) PARRYS: ?(?) BLOCKS: ?(?)" MISSES: ?(?)" HITS: ?(?)

including tests already posted on these boards from seyha...

Test Name: Seyha 1 NOTES (Atacker): Warrior vs SB Attacker WS (or approximation): 1002 DEXTERITY: 116 QUICKNESS: 73 EVADE: 7 EVADE MYTH: 0 PARRY SKILL: 0 MoParry: 0 PARRY MYTH: 0 SHIELD SKILL: 0 MoBlock: 0 BLOCK MYTH: 0 ATTACKS: 1975 EVADES: 461(0.233417721518987) PARRYS: 0(0) BLOCKS: 0(0)" MISSES: ?(?)" HITS: ?(?)

Test Name: Seyha 2 NOTES (Atacker): Zerker vs SB Attacker WS (or approximation): 959 DEXTERITY: 116 QUICKNESS: 73 EVADE: 7 EVADE MYTH: 0 PARRY SKILL: 0 MoParry: 0 PARRY MYTH: 0 SHIELD SKILL: 0 MoBlock: 0 BLOCK MYTH: 0 ATTACKS: 2036 EVADES: 566(0.277996070726916) PARRYS: 0(0) BLOCKS: 0(0)" MISSES: ?(?)" HITS: ?(?)

Test Name: Seyha 3 NOTES (Atacker): Savage vs SB Attacker WS (or approximation): 911 DEXTERITY: 116 QUICKNESS: 73 EVADE: 7 EVADE MYTH: 0 PARRY SKILL: 0 MoParry: 0 PARRY MYTH: 0 SHIELD SKILL: 0 MoBlock: 0 BLOCK MYTH: 0 ATTACKS: 1951 EVADES: 558(0.286007175807278) PARRYS: 0(0) BLOCKS: 0(0)" MISSES: ?(?)" HITS: ?(?)

Test Name: Seyha 4 NOTES (Atacker): Skald vs SB Attacker WS (or approximation): 828 DEXTERITY: 116 QUICKNESS: 73 EVADE: 7 EVADE MYTH: 0 PARRY SKILL: 0 MoParry: 0 PARRY MYTH: 0 SHIELD SKILL: 0 MoBlock: 0 BLOCK MYTH: 0 ATTACKS: 2012 EVADES: 631(0.313618290258449) PARRYS: 0(0) BLOCKS: 0(0)" MISSES: ?(?)" HITS: ?(?)

Test Name: Seyha 5 NOTES (Atacker): SB vs SB Attacker WS (or approximation): 784 DEXTERITY: 116 QUICKNESS: 73 EVADE: 7 EVADE MYTH: 0 PARRY SKILL: 0 MoParry: 0 PARRY MYTH: 0 SHIELD SKILL: 0 MoBlock: 0 BLOCK MYTH: 0 ATTACKS: 1963 EVADES: 626(0.318899643402955) PARRYS: 0(0) BLOCKS: 0(0)" MISSES: ?(?)" HITS: ?(?)

Test Name: Seyha 6 NOTES (Atacker): Shaman vs SB Attacker WS (or approximation): 774 DEXTERITY: 116 QUICKNESS: 73 EVADE: 7 EVADE MYTH: 0 PARRY SKILL: 0 MoParry: 0 PARRY MYTH: 0 SHIELD SKILL: 0 MoBlock: 0 BLOCK MYTH: 0 ATTACKS: 2051 EVADES: 635(0.309605070697221) PARRYS: 0(0) BLOCKS: 0(0)" MISSES: ?(?)" HITS: ?(?)

Test Name: Seyha 7 NOTES (Atacker): Runemaster vs SB Attacker WS (or approximation): 604 DEXTERITY: 116 QUICKNESS: 73 EVADE: 7 EVADE MYTH: 0 PARRY SKILL: 0 MoParry: 0 PARRY MYTH: 0 SHIELD SKILL: 0 MoBlock: 0 BLOCK MYTH: 0 ATTACKS: 1996 EVADES: 765(0.383266533066132) PARRYS: 0(0) BLOCKS: 0(0)" MISSES: ?(?)" HITS: ?(?)

Blue please, can you tell me which of the following three possibilities do apply to the evading formula on Uthgard? I know i'm dumb and need that you tell me again that, please, be patient

1) dex maximum is 250 and qui maximum is 250. so if both are at 250, max bonus is 500.

2) maximum bonus is 500, even if achieved with +499 dex and +1 qui

3) no maximum bonus (or higher than 500), so if dex is 300 and qui is 300, the bonus is 600


I know your time is preciuos (no irony!), so an answer with only a number from 1 to 3 is enough for me

Please make a public excel table on google. And put your informations there.

If thats too complicated do me the favor and write it in an excel file and append it to your post.

Lol, thank you very much

had to make a file factory account. that has some junk in it. but the raw data is in its own sheet.

http://www.filefactory.com/file/c2ce045/n/defence_111223.xlsx

Badtzmaru wrote:Lol, thank you very much

3) You get uncapped benefit from Dex+Qui. Evade chance in RvR is capped at 50%.

Netchel wrote:had to make a file factory account. that has some junk in it. but the raw data is in its own sheet.

http://www.filefactory.com/file/c2ce045/n/defence_111223.xlsx

You can't upload attachments here?

Btw, thank you for the Excel sheet.

Blue wrote:3) You get uncapped benefit from Dex+Qui. Evade chance in RvR is capped at 50%.

Thank you very much.

BTW, this is a very important information, that differs from all the guides that i came across on internet (also the one posted on this forum!), that's why i asked for a confirm of what you already said.

I'll point this thread on the one contained in the tutorial session, so that the cap reported in it might be corrected.

Thanks again.

Blue can you confirm this ? if thats true dodger is not a bad idea.

Nymeros wrote:The main thing with Dodger is not capping evade. It's the fact that for the most people who even get to spec Dodger on this server the main opponents are dual wielding classes, which halve Evade. By speccing Dodger higher and overcapping Evade you essentially get a higher Evade rate against dual-wielders than the usual 50/2=25%, as Evade is halved not from the cap but from your personal evade percentage (Dodger+buffs).

So if you would somehow reach 68% evade total, against a non-DW class you'd still have only 50% evade, but against a DW class you'd have not 25%, but 34% evade. This also comes into play with multiple opponents.

https://web.archive.org/web/20040113134640/http://www.camelotherald.com/more/664.shtml
Q: If evade is capped at 50% chance to evade, and I have evade 7 and dodger 5, where do I stand without any buffs and capped stats? Do I have any use for the highest level of dodger? Is it possible to give a simple answer?

A: It isn't possible to give a simple answer. The formula includes such elements as your level, your target's level, your level of evade, your QUI, your DEX, your buffs to QUI and DEX, the number of people attacking you, your target's weapon level, your target's spec in the weapon he is wielding, the kind of attack (DW, range, etc), attack radius, angle of attack, the style you used most recently, target's offensive RA, debuffs, and a few others. (The type of weapon � large, 1H, etc � doesn�t matter.) So it's entirely situational.

Your base chance to evade at Evade 7 is 35% (5% per level). Dodger 5 (3% per level) adds another 15%. But that's just a BASE. Those percentages can be modified by all of the above. The cap is 50% - but after your base is modified, you might not be at 50.

So if you were fully buffed, fighting a lower level opponent who wasn't very skilled, had evade 7, and dodger 5, you would be over your cap for certain. Which element took you over your cap, I couldn't say. Could be a buff, could be dodger, could be the level and skill of your opponent.

But if you're fighting multiple attackers, or significantly higher level mobs, or someone your level who was buffed and specced better than you are, or someone smacks you with a debuff, then you would still need dodger 5 to hit your cap. It might take you over, but you wouldn't reach the cap without it.

So you see, it's really up to you. Do you mostly RVR, or do PVE? Solo or group? Do you have friends that will keep you buffed all the time, or do you spend a lot of time without buffs? The decision is yours, and there is no real right or wrong answer.

From what I can see the raw chance is calculated then the cap is applied. So given that instance, it appears your evade chance, yes, would in fact be higher.

Abydos wrote:

https://web.archive.org/web/20040113134640/http://www.camelotherald.com/more/664.shtml
Q: If evade is capped at 50% chance to evade, and I have evade 7 and dodger 5, where do I stand without any buffs and capped stats? Do I have any use for the highest level of dodger? Is it possible to give a simple answer?

A: It isn't possible to give a simple answer. The formula includes such elements as your level, your target's level, your level of evade, your QUI, your DEX, your buffs to QUI and DEX, the number of people attacking you, your target's weapon level, your target's spec in the weapon he is wielding, the kind of attack (DW, range, etc), attack radius, angle of attack, the style you used most recently, target's offensive RA, debuffs, and a few others. (The type of weapon � large, 1H, etc � doesn�t matter.) So it's entirely situational.

Your base chance to evade at Evade 7 is 35% (5% per level). Dodger 5 (3% per level) adds another 15%. But that's just a BASE. Those percentages can be modified by all of the above. The cap is 50% - but after your base is modified, you might not be at 50.

So if you were fully buffed, fighting a lower level opponent who wasn't very skilled, had evade 7, and dodger 5, you would be over your cap for certain. Which element took you over your cap, I couldn't say. Could be a buff, could be dodger, could be the level and skill of your opponent.

But if you're fighting multiple attackers, or significantly higher level mobs, or someone your level who was buffed and specced better than you are, or someone smacks you with a debuff, then you would still need dodger 5 to hit your cap. It might take you over, but you wouldn't reach the cap without it.

So you see, it's really up to you. Do you mostly RVR, or do PVE? Solo or group? Do you have friends that will keep you buffed all the time, or do you spend a lot of time without buffs? The decision is yours, and there is no real right or wrong answer.

From what I can see the raw chance is calculated then the cap is applied. So given that instance, it appears your evade chance, yes, would in fact be higher.

Thanks, helps alot.