so, im a new player to uth and played alot on live.
Im fresh 50 and in the last days it worked great to get some RPs. If it was with 2 ppl or with a 16-20 ppl zerg.

So, i cant understand why the 8vs8 ppl are crying. On Live there was no problem in 8vs80ppl when the coregrp can play.
I remember the day we killed like 100 albs with our 8man coregrp and 1 8man add.
That was fun! And on Uthgard u will never see a 80-150ppl zerg trying to get some relics.

The only thing i wanna mention is, that u have to play like it is and try to make the best of it.
If u loose, u wasnt good enough. Ppl have to learn how to play DAoC. HighRR doesnt mean that they are skilled. it only means that they got some nice RAs to pretend play if they could. Every Realm has a vulnerability. In Midgard its the Assist. Nobody does Assist, everyone runs around, crying like a little chicken, get mezzed and killed and after death everyone crys more about no one had assisted. Change that ppl, use your macros!

I like the classic Server layout on uthgard and i like the old frontiers. Theyre Big, Yea, but that means a Realm should be play together. if ur 8man grp cant kill the 2 other alb grps, get help from another grp and kill them! u want to defend your realm, damn! Dont act egoistic and stay with 8 man and spend RPs for the other realms. I just cant stand that opinion.

Coregrp is a nice thing yea, but get out some Informations about where the enemys are and u will get your RPs and other ppl their fun.

Stop beeing blinded by your own long-established opinion and open your eyes for how it is really and how it should be!

just my 2 sentence...

Greetz

PS.: Sorry for my bad english, hope u can understand what i wanna say

LOLOL REALMPRIIIIIIDE. FYI, i play this game to RvR, not to protect a Realm made of Pixels. As long as i can get good inc, i do not care in which realm i play, its more about the ppl i play with. But well, i guess those ppl that seek RvR are the bane of RvR and baaad baaad human beeings (at least thats the essence that comes across in the Forum).

those damn elitists are the root of all evil and bad not just in daoc but the whole real world!!

But the good thing in this game is, you don't have to give a sh.it about what they think (other than in real live, where your boss is an elitist most of the time).

what about just take it easy and play the way you want to?

if the 8v8 player start to flame you for not playing theyr game... just don't listen. If the solo player start to flame you for not letting them play theyr game... just don't listen. Don't respond, let them talk and play your game.

p.s. am i allowed to speak here or do i have to do more rvr first?

essedum called me an elitist

holsten-knight wrote:if the 8v8 player start to flame you for not playing theyr game... just don't listen. If the solo player start to flame you for not letting them play theyr game... just don't listen. Don't respond, let them talk and play your game.

It's very important to reply with a "hmm..." or "mmm...", or "yes".
Just so they know you've seen their send, and that you really don't care

holsten-knight wrote:what about just take it easy and play the way you want to?

if the 8v8 player start to flame you for not playing theyr game... just don't listen. If the solo player start to flame you for not letting them play theyr game... just don't listen. Don't respond, let them talk and play your game.

Two cheers for Holsten This is what I've been saying. Play the game you want and how you want. Yes, you will get people to send you nasty tells and you will hear grief over the broad channel, but nobody has a right to tell you how to play this game, except a GM.

Also, to the OP, thank you for posting your positive comments on here. I read these all day at work at it just iritates me to no end how everyone just complains about the state of RvR. I think we can all agree that it could always be better, but using that same logic it could always be worse. I'm glad to hear that I am not the only one that is satisfied with the state of RvR on the server.

Bloodwyne wrote:
we are not talking about sth so complicated, its easy to see if someone has a clue about what hes saying/writing or doesnt. it has nothing to do in which "category" u can put this person in. Just read the lines he writes and draw a conclusion. i just said that a person with a realmrank of 4l6 simply CANT and shouldnt generalize so much. ofc his pov in terms of casual rvr is definately more interesting than an only 8man players pov, but i didnt say anything else. Just dont forget there is more than 8man'ers zergers solos etc. ALOT of people actually do like and play alot of types of rvr

Bloodwyne, after our little debate in the other thread dealing with a similiar message you also tried playing the "who are you to talk about this" game with me. I told you my RR and my char and I still had you, Bawwwww, and some others telling me I had no clue what I was talking about. I understand your point of view to a degree. People need to have played RvR to have an oppinion about RvR, but 90% of the complaints about frontiers has been the lack of casuals in RvR. Now a casual comes on and simply states that from his perspective he has had fun. Then the first thing you and others do is point out his RR and how essentially his opinion on the issue doesnt matter. I'm 8L1, and been playing in frontier for over 1.5 years and it wasnt good enough to have an "opinion" so what exactly counts to be able to post here? Do I have to be in the top 50 rp earners and play with Rare, MB, or Drachengarde? Maybe I just need to agree with you to "prove" that I know what I'm talking about. To me this type of mentality is more of a detriment to get people out to RvR then any setting in RvR.

Wow, thanks for the support guys/gals Had no wish for this thread to be a flame war and I see many have same point of view of todays rvr, and its great! =)

To sum it up, its up to you to make it fun, however you do it, but I would not consider griefing any good way. I.e I would not on purpose build mini zerg to jump those high RR players (if they dont deserve it)

And I still having a blast!

// Saniel 4l8 MYTH

Blue wrote:The point is, this is a casual RvR player who has fun. Its often said that the casuals have the most problems with the RvR settings which is obviously not the case.

Oh sad day. Sad sad sad sad sad day.

"No wonder you're extinct" (c) Jurassic Park.

ZaiQQ wrote:I stopped to play daoc also, but then i took a arrow to the knee....

I really start loving this running gag ^^

RonELuvv wrote:Then the first thing you and others do is point out his RR and how essentially his opinion on the issue doesnt matter.

Tell me exactly where i said that yours or his opinion does not matter?

Zarkor wrote:

Blue wrote:The point is, this is a casual RvR player who has fun. Its often said that the casuals have the most problems with the RvR settings which is obviously not the case.

Oh sad day. Sad sad sad sad sad day.

"No wonder you're extinct" (c) Jurassic Park.

Where did the originator of this post say he is a casual player? Low RR maybe but I didn't see where he said he was casual. Also, what was stated in this thread that made it obvious to Blue that there are not problems for casuals to participate in rvr?

Well the people who run this server were talented enough to make this server and I do agree that they are the ones who decide whether the server they created has any problems or can be improved.

Good post Saniel and a good discussion in this thread.

I can tell all of you what makes this server and this game fun whether you are a 8man player or a soloer.

People

it always boils down to people.
the more people that are playing the more fun it is for everyone.

If you want to make this server and the RvR better then start by treating people differently.

if you see a new player asking for a group in rvr and you have a spot then group him. Give them a chance and who knows you may find a new therg for your guild or a pally etc...
Don't be so concerned about winning and losing all the time. because its these new people that are the key to a fun server.
Consider grouping them an investment in the future of Uthgard and believe me it will pay off in the long run.

There is lots more that can be done to make RvR here better but all of you, each and everyone of you , can start by treating people differently.
be a little more tolerant.

8mans are good
Zergs are good
small mans are good
solo players are good.
keep takers are good.
taskers are good.
PvE is good.

All of the above make a healthy fun server, not just your small part of it. But your small part can have a big influence on the rest of it.

/salute
Cruell
MYTH.

Bloodwyne wrote:

Stormus wrote:// Saniel 4l6 alb Sorc MYTH

a poster with alot of credibility when it comes to uthgard-rvr discussions.

i mean, its cool that u enjoy rvr how it is (the 2 hours u spend each week) but theres still people that have other expectations than u do. I dont wanna rate casual and regular players credibility .. both should have as much fun as possible. but you should really be careful with generalizing your pov into such a big topic.

Thats sounds an aweful lot like you are essentially saying, "Ha, your RR4L6, so alltho you do have a say on the server, lets face it, you really know nothing about "true" RvR." Maybe I made some assumptions, but your arrogance in that post says it all. * the 2 hours you spend each week... really? Because since he is only 4L6 he must only spend 2 hours a week in RvR?

Also, you should really heed your own advice in that above post of yours. You love to generalise your point of view into big topics. The difference is that you think your thoughts on the matter take presedence over others because of your RR. Those in glass houses shouldnt cast stones.

Bloodwyne wrote:roneluvv, please, before u participate in or even start RvR discussions, give us ur ingame identity.
tbh. even if u would actually be an active rvr player (which i doubt) u simply lack of knowledge about this game and server

This was from our discussion in another post that I started.

So where exactly is this open mindedness that you talk about? You dont see how condescending you are to people? You get to have an opinion because you run with a great RvR guild and you have high RR toons, but others can't have an opinion? Well, I guess according to you they can, it just doesnt matter unless they are high enough RR. That is what I get from your posts Bloodwyne. When you start respecting others views on these topics I might start to respect yours.

Whoops, almost forgot to add my signature. Lord know's I have to do it so Bloodwyne will allow my comments to be read and have merit.