dont care, only a handful of those 8v8 and honour-sh.it oldschool players left on uthgard, hope they fade away next time too

edit: i forgot... the biggest nerds return some weeks after their goodbye attention party... so we are doomed

Sekunda wrote:
Many ways to define how something should be.

In my work I've found the best way to construct a business model is to first define how I would like to see it, then test it in an appropriate environment, adjust your expectations to realities, then finally launch and make minor adjustments.

If you skip the first step, which in this case is hearing from people who've done no (or very little RvR), but who also would like to RvR, then you're unlikely to ever succeed in making a proper product.
People who RvR'd for a long time (the experienced ones), tend to create a picture in their mind on how they'd like RvR to be, which often will be to suit their style of playing, which could very well collide with how RvR would work best for all (by all I mean all who'd RvR under perfect conditions).
A clear example of this, is when steathers suggest that their classes be buffed, as they can't compete with visibles.
Or when 8-man groups, want to balance RvR in respect of how well the realms can form an 8 man group, the constant minstrels don't fit in groups, so albs lack speed 6, or theurges are better than XX etc...

That being said, you should not ignore experienced players, their input is vital, but they are not the "Holy Grail" keepers.

I should also note that I did pretty much only 8-man groups on Live servers, so while I haven't done any here yet, I usually voice with the 8-man groups

we are not talking about sth so complicated, its easy to see if someone has a clue about what hes saying/writing or doesnt. it has nothing to do in which "category" u can put this person in. Just read the lines he writes and draw a conclusion. i just said that a person with a realmrank of 4l6 simply CANT and shouldnt generalize so much. ofc his pov in terms of casual rvr is definately more interesting than an only 8man players pov, but i didnt say anything else. Just dont forget there is more than 8man'ers zergers solos etc. ALOT of people actually do like and play alot of types of rvr

Bloodwyne wrote:we are not talking about sth so complicated, its easy to see if someone has a clue about what hes saying/writing or doesnt. it has nothing to do in which "category" u can put this person in. Just read the lines he writes and draw a conclusion. i just said that a person with a realmrank of 4l6 simply CANT and shouldnt generalize so much. ofc his pov in terms of casual rvr is definately more interesting than an only 8man players pov, but i didnt say anything else. Just dont forget there is more than 8man'ers zergers solos etc. ALOT of people actually do like and play alot of types of rvr

Okay, my bad then
And I agree, I also think (but can only say from a LIVE server pov), that the majority prefers different types of RvR, and only very few prefers to just solo or 8vs8 or zerg, diversity is where the fun lies.

Think very few who started DaoC back in the early stages, doesn't remember their first relic raids with some fond memories. Well due to lag most is kinda blurry, but was still a proud feeling to defend your realm, or attack another realm.

I wanna give props to Stormus for making the effort. Server settings aren't ideal for so called casual RvR but guess what, neither are they for 8man but they've been persistant for years on this server. People like the OP make things happen for them which is good. Other examples were Bloodwyne's relic raids or Northforest's zerg events. They're isolated occurrences but again in comparison, I don't expect a fg to pick me up right away when I want to 8man, gotta make things happen yourself.

I encourage things like bringing 12 ppl to fight those high tier groups. Makes it more enjoyable for everyone because despite what some misinformed prejudiced people here like to believe they're not in it to farm RPs but to have nice fights.

On this note I'd also like to say that on this forum this stigmatization of people who like to 8v8 has to stop. Comments like Blue's are painting us off as elitist arrogant assh*les who rage non-stop and like nothing more than keeping the rest of Uthgard population down. It's not hard to just ignore the odd remark.

your so funny, you all asume I only played these 2 last weeks when hib started to zerg lol, I made plenty of rvr, not just this toon I skipped thid at 3l9 cuz rvr is way more diffrent then BGS, and BGS isnt that fun. (imho) you dont get so much rps as new guy in emain for instance, u spend lotsa time on the ground. I made my post, in contrast too all "rvr on uth are doomed posts" cuz I want to say I like how it is atm, with plenty off all kind of action in all types. And if you just cant get over that I make a post like that maybe you should quit all together? I see you lwrp are sooo great and High lol

Every thread should have a fairy attached to drop "happy dust" on everyone in the thread

ok let me say sth before u get more angry

i like that u are not focusing 1 specific part of the community for being so negative about the rvr status. u say u have fun and u dont understand why people complain about 8mans or zergs or stealthers etc.

+ For you to not belong to the people who blame a group that prefers a specific playstyle for everything.

but u should also be able to deal with people that dont agree with you cause they simply made other experience, this is still a public forum and we are here to discuss

Sekunda wrote:Every thread should have a fairy attached to drop "happy dust" on everyone in the thread

Absolutely. This thread was a good attempt at brightening things though.

I know my post here is meaningless to some, as I am not "one of the boys" but I find RvR very fun right now. Some people will always complain though, no matter what.

Galandriel2 wrote:dont care, only a handful of those 8v8 and honour-sh.it oldschool players left on uthgard, hope they fade away next time too

edit: i forgot... the biggest nerds return some weeks after their goodbye attention party... so we are doomed

Make me think to me when i said i stop and was here back like 1 week later

I stopped to play daoc also, but then i took a arrow to the knee....

Stormus wrote:All I see is you Leet High RR trying to dissuade ppl like me to post.

When it all comes down, Uth would be better place without you.

quoted for truth.

I agree to an extent with the original poster. RvR is what you make it. I'm not saying there is not a whole lot of room for improvement, but some of that room can be handled in the mindset of the community as a whole. I am speaking primarily from a US time standpoint since I hardly get a chance to play euro primetime.

Every game I have ever played has ultimately come down to players being creative with making a game enjoyable. This also means that every game has differing opinions as to what is enjoyable, which seems to be a big issue at the moment (and has been since I've been on the server). Hopefully somehow it turns the corner where a status quo is reached in a sense; where more people can start enjoying the game the way they like it.

There has always been pockets of fun action that seem to pop up here and there, so it's not like it's impossible to have a good time. It's just a matter of figuring out a way to make more of those pockets. From personal experience, I've grouped with some people in the past few months that honestly give it a shot for rvr, even if its with a inexperienced lowbie like myself. Sure I've been slaughtered, finally built a group up only to have the action leave for whatever reason. But I have also had good fights and won some as well. I find it encouraging that a lot of the so called "8man veteran elitists" have gone out of their way to do what they can to encourage people to RvR a lot more often lately. In the long run that is the best way to help on the players side of things, because IMO it will hopefully get more people to show up to diversify RvR. My two cents.

Every minute you spend here ****** about RvR is another minute you're spending complaining about a game (yes, something that is supposed to be leisurely for you... /sigh). There are bigger problems in life... if he has fun in RvR, who are you to judge him? We play Uthgard because it's laid back, it's free, and is an alternative to the messyness that is live. If you don't like it you can geeeeettttt ouuuuuttt

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