As the subject says, I read alot of posts here about how bad RVR is, that it needs improvement, you cant RVR cuz u get rolled by high RR grps, no small man action etc..

I must ask, do we play on same server? I dont experience any of those bad things that is mentioned.

-hibs and mids been bringing zergs to emain everyday this past days, which is great!
So we albs zergs back, lotsa fun.

- last night my low RR grp got masacred several times by a mid grp, but we still comeback.
-we ran into those awesome hib caster grp, and had to bring 2grps to take them down
- when we dont have DF I start grp to retake it, and almost everytime we get some inc.
- or we actively try to defend our frontier, and other realms know this and comes with their fresh from thid grps.

What I want to say with My wall of text that Uthgard RvR is what urself make of it.
Sure being in a big guild and alliance helps, but only way is to make it fun for urself, build grps or zergs, knock on enemy claimed keep, take 2grp to face the high RR 8mans.
I do this, why cant you?

// Saniel 4l6 alb Sorc MYTH

Thats the spirit! Let's take some keeps!

There is no daily zerg on Uth, enjoy it as long as it last and see how RvR is w/o for casuals

So ur saying casuals cant make RVR grps by themself?
You dont need to be 50 and high RR to take keep for DF switch, nore to join the action in DF once it switched.
And casuals cant go other frontiers either to attack evern/gk grps or Hunt in RVR dungeons?
Your saying everyone else have to make sure all those casuals have RVR grps whenever they want?

When I do frontier RVR for ie DF switch or whatever I always spam /lfg /broad for ppl and I take pre 50 toons with. Do you think any casual gamer send me a tell to join?

You have to want to be active rvring in all of it states, just come here on forum whining about it doesnt help yourself at all.

If ppl when making grps dont know you exists, how can they invite?

And I been playing uth RVR without those zergs yeah, I get rolled alot, but I always come back.

Stormus wrote:And I been playing uth RVR without those zergs yeah, I get rolled alot, but I always come back.

4l6 sure sounds like alot, whats that, 2 days in emain?

OOOOH SNAP RP COMPETETION YA DIG

Lol Zai, want a lolly?

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removed improper stuff.

Stormus wrote:// Saniel 4l6 alb Sorc MYTH

a poster with alot of credibility when it comes to uthgard-rvr discussions.

i mean, its cool that u enjoy rvr how it is (the 2 hours u spend each week) but theres still people that have other expectations than u do. I dont wanna rate casual and regular players credibility .. both should have as much fun as possible. but you should really be careful with generalizing your pov into such a big topic.

Yeah, posted who I was, cuz I didnt want to be anno, and that I stand for my opinion.

All I see is you Leet High RR trying to dissuade ppl like me to post.

When it all comes down, Uth would be better place without you.

The point is, this is a casual RvR player who has fun. Its often said that the casuals have the most problems with the RvR settings which is obviously not the case. Some even recommended to create a level 50 BG so that they can get higher RR's without being rolled by high RR players.

I think if some say RvR is dead they in fact mean 8vs8 is dead (or live in US timezone) but even tell others to leave Emain to have "undisturbed" 8vs8.

Theres a big community factor in all this.

Bloodwyne wrote:but you should really be careful with generalizing your pov into such a big topic.

I recommend the same to you and others.

Blue wrote:

Bloodwyne wrote:but you should really be careful with generalizing your pov into such a big topic.

I recommend the same to you and others.

point is i participate in all types of rvr you will find here on uth apart of stealth rvr. so my experience is a bit more wide spread, than those of most, i dont say its worth more. But nice to see which part of the community u only defend, blue.

Blue wrote:The point is, this is a casual RvR player who has fun. Its often said that the casuals have the most problems with the RvR settings which is obviously not the case.

You just read what you wanna read.
Casual RvR is dead broken how ever you wanna call it.
Only because some hibs create a zerg bg since three days doesnt mean that casual RvR is working and no fixes are needed.

Celteen wrote:

Blue wrote:The point is, this is a casual RvR player who has fun. Its often said that the casuals have the most problems with the RvR settings which is obviously not the case.

You just read what you wanna read.
Casual RvR is dead broken how ever you wanna call it.
Only because some hibs create a zerg bg since three days doesnt mean that casual RvR is working and no fixes are needed.

Wasnt it actually only for a week anyway? some "alliance event" started strong the first day, but they are just getting fewer and fewer, logged off pretty quick yesterday.

Bloodwyne wrote:

Blue wrote:

Bloodwyne wrote:but you should really be careful with generalizing your pov into such a big topic.

I recommend the same to you and others.

point is i participate in all types of rvr you will find here on uth apart of stealth rvr. so my experience is a bit more wide spread, than those of most, i dont say its worth more. But nice to see which part of the community u only defend, blue.

Many ways to define how something should be.

In my work I've found the best way to construct a business model is to first define how I would like to see it, then test it in an appropriate environment, adjust your expectations to realities, then finally launch and make minor adjustments.

If you skip the first step, which in this case is hearing from people who've done no (or very little RvR), but who also would like to RvR, then you're unlikely to ever succeed in making a proper product.
People who RvR'd for a long time (the experienced ones), tend to create a picture in their mind on how they'd like RvR to be, which often will be to suit their style of playing, which could very well collide with how RvR would work best for all (by all I mean all who'd RvR under perfect conditions).
A clear example of this, is when steathers suggest that their classes be buffed, as they can't compete with visibles.
Or when 8-man groups, want to balance RvR in respect of how well the realms can form an 8 man group, the constant minstrels don't fit in groups, so albs lack speed 6, or theurges are better than XX etc...

That being said, you should not ignore experienced players, their input is vital, but they are not the "Holy Grail" keepers.

I should also note that I did pretty much only 8-man groups on Live servers, so while I haven't done any here yet, I usually voice with the 8-man groups