45 + 17 Bow and 300 Dex

I hit CS for ~400 (sometimes 600+).
It felt that every fourth CS get missed or evaded.

skill on melee is no solution for the scout, 1h dmg is simply laughable.
your only possibility to enjoy the scout with a low RR is to grp with a infi.
Solo is possible but when your not rr5+ (with purge1 and ip2) and a ranger/ns/sb did find u, you better play Stun & Run!

ntc wrote:btw, this is a custom server...

NF RAs were never implemented without TOA, this server is taking parts of two different eras of daoc and combining them...

there was never charge without demoralization/bodyguard/SW/artys and casters who nuked for 400+(toa bonuses)

sever is anything but "patch level"

So true no matter what the staff say this server IS custom taj 1+2 , NF RA's these are 2 huge things for a so called classic server, they should call it a Classic style custom server, It is in general a good server but if you say classic then classic it should be.

shade wrote:QQ

I have 50+18 CritStrike and guess what, sometimes I miss PA. Not often though, but it happens.

You cannot miss PA if you're well positioned.
If you miss = too fard, not in front.

Don't forget sidestep. "You were strafing in combat and miss your target." also applies to PA.

you don't need side step for this

Scouts hit for around the same dmg as my ranger. The dmg's you posted are quite normal (400-600 on crit and 200-350 on normal). I dont know what you were expecting. The shots that you are getting hit with by rangers for 800+ are not normal. That is probably somebody with high aug dex and/or high Falcons Eye. Realise that WS does not make a difference on Uthgard with your to hit or dmg. You having 50+14 bow will hit as often and almost the same dmg as my ranger with 35+17 bow. That isnt a ranger vs. scout issue, that is just the way the mechanics work on this server. Going above 50 (51 post RR5) composite (with +'s) will not add dmg and will not really make a big difference on def penetration. This has been noted in these forums on countless occasions. The only reason you should be 50 bow is for the last volley and the last penetrating arrow (which is NOWHERE near worth the points imo). DMG and Miss rates will not be changed. Also, your only 4L6. Please do yourself a favor, make a ranger, get him to 50, get him to 4l6, then go out to emain and RvR. You will get your butt kicked solo ALMOST as much as you scout does. I dont know why you hunters and scouts think that ranger is easy mode. Assasins with viper 3 are much more easy mode then any ranger.

asheron wrote:I have 140 base Dex all starting points but 1 went into Dex 75/75 item bonus (2) over cap,+12 (buffs/debuffs) then with 20 for pot buff =247 Dex.

The Rangers that are CSing you for 800 have 320+ dex.

RonELuvv wrote:Going above 50 (51 post RR5) composite (with +'s) will not add dmg and will not really make a big difference on def penetration.

You've got it backwards. Bow skills benefit from the 2hand bonus. Going above 50 composite Bow spec adds damage, but has no effect on defense penetration or "chance to miss."

I have done tests on this with sniper spec rangers. Me and another player that had 45+15 bow compared to my 35+17 bow and there was very little difference in dmg. You are talking probably on average about 20-30 more damage per arrow with the same speed bow's. Yes, you are right, you will see more damage, but not much of a difference for the points your putting into it. I guess what I'm saying is that its not like by spec'ing 50 instead of 35 your going to see a noticeable difference in the damage. Yah, I'm not 100% sure on the whole def penetration on this server. To be honest, it is just very sporadic and streaky. Some nights my bow barely every misses and other nights i'm lucky to get 1 arrow to land out of 3, but damage I have tested and when I say you dont see much of a difference I dont mean you wont see any difference, just not as much of a difference for the points you put into it.

Seriously one thing i DONT understand

with my infi toon i receive normally 450-700 critshots from rangers/hunters/scouts (also some with sniperspec, and CORRECT arrows, and same dex/qui,dex charges/pots)
only a few high rr ranger even with splitspec hit me 900+ (normal shot 450+)
there is no RA increasing bow damage passiv
i dont complain about high critbowdamage, but i dont understand how some people make 50%-30% more damage with their bow, not even augdex5 makes sense with the normal formular.
i think many archer are handicapped due some strange things, some people shoot normal like other do criticalshoots

Just talking from my own personal experience here, but bow damage is just very sporadic on this server. I have some crits get in the 800-900 range, but not often. One thing I have noticed is some rangers (that use bow) will ONLY go for a crit shot when going after an enemy. I will go for a crit if the enemy is not moving or is on a good moving route (while stealthed) that will not jepordize me shooting an arrow, losing camo, coming unstealthed, and not even have the arrow hit the person since they are out of stealth detection before the arrow gets near them. I guess what I'm saying is that maybe some of the dmg seems really unbalanced because you are getting hit with alot more normal shots thinking they are crits and/or vice versa. Also, it could be that they are high aug dex and using Basalt Bow, and if they are using crit shots they could be abusing the bug that allows you to crit on a crit shot.

i dont know if there is a bug,may not the basaltbow (or maybe bug items are out )
but e.g. lilluc,tzaaa,pfeilchen hits all time for 850-920 damage with crit (and half for normal shot)
but i never saw high crits from other mid-high rr sniperspec ranger
and i am not speaking of the well known critical critshot!

Yah, I'm not for sure then. Like I said, all I can do is speak from my own experiences and I never see consistant shots for that much damage against lvl 50 templated toons.

i'm played scout of 18th ranking of this server.
the name is Korhyang 6L2.

i've played 1L0 to 5L9 50bow with 5MOS, else everthing FalconEyes.

nomaly all bow spec is verry sucks. specially this server is Big nerfed vally shot(when that my rank is closed 5L8) that skill has a miss vally shot chance is over 50% with other calc hit chance. if you has a bad luck you can't hit any arrow.

ex)
if, enemie is in the area?
yes, vally shot is working? - has 50% chance
yes, if armorfactor is low? - nomal hit chance (nomally 80%)
yes, if has a block skill? - enemies block skill chance (nomally 25% over)
or, has a evade skill? - enemise evede skill chance (nomally 0 - 3 - 6% chance)
if, has a BT? - ... etc etc etc.

mean is hit% = 50% * 80% * ETC Chance. (TOP chance is under 40% XD)

so you have a verry low chance.
this is my rank almost stoped reason.


and,
very weak bow damage. comparison with Other Bow class.
reason is
- We are not have a self buff, add dmg
- We are 1h with shield class

mean is
- your need to close range combat, but you can not deal big damage. but you can block with have a time for typeing "/y some body help me!"

need to change this
ranger : specialist close range with combat buff, but verry low detect range with nomal bow dmg.
hunter : specialist Tracer with his pet buff, but low shot range and has a past a bow speed with 2h close range combat
scout : specialist hide from enemis, long range bow with low speed.

but,
no one want change live servers seting and, specialy scout is always end of food chain

so, my propose is
- scouty has a over 40 bows, 42 / 44/ 46 / 48 / 50 has a bonus bow range each step + 75
- scouty has a over 30 stealth, 31 / 32 / 33 / 34 / 35 / 36 / 37 has a bonus cooldown Camouflage, 30 sec


and...
advice to post
this server is hell for scout, choice other way or try to PD, MoB, IP with grouping.

1) use a dex/quick charge instead of a potion. you can buy a directors ring with d/q charge for less than a plat. 10 gold a charge is totally worth it for the huge increase in dex over using a potion buff. that will help put you in line with rangers who self buff thier d/q.

2) memorize dmg tables and choose your arrow type accordingly. you can put each arrow type in a different quiver slot, then qbind each quiver slot to a key (i use f1/f2/f3 for slash/crush/thrust respectively) choosing the right dmg type for your target based on armor type and race can make a significant difference in your overall dmg (in some cases hitting for 84% vs 59% dmg depending on racials and armor and assumign 26% SCed, PD not included).

3) Physical Defence. theres a reason they eliminated it from archers on live. it was OPed. one of the reasons you are hittign a melee range for crap with your bow is they probbaly hae high PD. you have access to this RA as well though, so make use of it. you will find that it is often of greater use than mob when fihting DW tanks.

4) delete the scout because they are worthless on uthgard other than as an MOS bot. make an assassin and buy high viper. enjoy the free rps.