as would i. i would love for my DW to start going through uber high block/parry rates just as im sure people would like to cut through my evade.

Blue however has stated that mythic is total tools about releasing the formulas so i doubt we'll ever see this sadly

Tankqull wrote:hunters are screwed since they lost chain armor in beta.

Wouldn't that just make them weaker to the majority of stealthers?

Now imagine if that was Mauriac (viper3), Ivia (viper3), Manimal (viper3+40 sec bleed), Duna (viper2),
or any of the other viper-monkies who proc lifebane even more often, and also evade like crazy

thats just lol! -.-
i was fullmelee-specced, same there. just senseless to play hunter atm

Fjott wrote:
Now imagine if that was Mauriac (viper3), Ivia (viper3), Manimal (viper3+40 sec bleed), Duna (viper2),
or any of the other viper-monkies who proc lifebane even more often, and also evade like crazy

hey cool i got mentioned

Mauriac wrote:

Fjott wrote:
Now imagine if that was Mauriac (viper3), Ivia (viper3), Manimal (viper3+40 sec bleed), Duna (viper2),
or any of the other viper-monkies who proc lifebane even more often, and also evade like crazy

hey cool i got mentioned

Congrats ! he told you were a monkey :p



Imo hunter 2H dmg is ok, from what i've seen from hunter full melee (edgtho)
The biggest would be pet which never hit target and deal really poor damage.

I heard that Spear is counted as a 1-Hand-weapon.

I also heard (which I can promise you) that Swordspec is better than Spear atm. 2-Hand on Mid works different and isn't bugged (afaik). Besides you have a very good Def with Shield (switching 1-Hand and 2-Hand).

Go Sword and try full Meele spec with all Charges possible and IP. You might be able to kill sth

Yes afaik are most high RR hunters sword speced. But how can it be that sword deals more damage than spear? Spear is based on (dex+str)/2 and sword is based on str only. Hunters have low str and high dex, so the conclusion should be that spear is the better weapon, or not?

as far as i know spear has no to hit bonus on uthgard... sword has to hit bonus, so you have a little better chance to hit your target

Artefact wrote:

Mauriac wrote:

Fjott wrote:
Now imagine if that was Mauriac (viper3), Ivia (viper3), Manimal (viper3+40 sec bleed), Duna (viper2),
or any of the other viper-monkies who proc lifebane even more often, and also evade like crazy

hey cool i got mentioned

Congrats ! he told you were a monkey :p

Yeah, but i still got mentioned

To hit bonus? You're talking about the styles? Hm, no idea, might be.

So whay do Hunters suck on Uthgard? I´ll tell you why :

1.) Weaponskill : is TOTALLY broken, it has N O effect on defense penetration nor passive defense. Means : Its ONLY a crappy number, nothing more. You could have weaponskill 0 on Uthgard and STILL evade/block/parry JUST AS MUCH as 1300 Weaponskill.

what does this mean for Hunters? Well Hunter do have quite a high weaponskill but we learned it doesnt effect defense penetrarion AT ALL, so...? Hunters use 1h/2H ( yes Spear is still counted as 1h weapon in DAoC cuz its an ancient relic of beta where Hunters had 1h spear and shieldspecc ) or 2H sword ( theres not much difference here between 1h/2h defence penetration on Uthgard, ONLY Dw makes a change here ).

SO? = Concerning defense penetration, Hunters are TOTALLY screwed cuz EVERY DW user, Shield user or whatever user will evade/parry/block 90% of their attacks in meele. Lack of to hit bonus of spear skill line ( to hit bonus + stats are the only indicators to actually HIT your opponent on Uthgard ) rounds it up to auto release most of the time.

2.) Pet : Not much to say here...cuz not even worth of mentioning...blue pet...20dmg...etc.

3.) Bow dmg : this is the single thing a Hunter MIGHT score on Uthgard, cuz : fastest bows, equal dmg compared to Scouts/Rangers ( dont know about the range though, it SHOULD be way shorter than the other realms ).
Equal dmg? with shorter delay? Yes cuz bow dmg formula is the SAME for all 3 realms here ( Nobody knows why and nobody cares obviously ) just max out ur dex and be happy ( at least about that )


4.) No defense (?) Compared to Rangers/Scouts the Hunter also lacks Defense. Scouts = Shield Specc, Rangers = DW user ( Which means WAY better evade chance vs 1h/2h + WAY better to hit bonus vs shield users ).

Sum this all together and ull get : A broken, totally useless misssfit only worth of Mosboting for Fgs.

P.S. concerning pure melee dmg : its OK ( though 1h dmg is WAY to high on Uthgard to stand in a reasonable amount compared to 2h dmg ) but as we already learned : No hit, No dmg ^^

P.P.S. Waiting for old Ras wont help at all, cuz Hunters ( with all other Bow specc classes ) will lose PD and Mos ( Rangers will get Avoid Pain, which is almost like PD *yay ). Infis/Sbs will lose viper ( NS will still have it ) But Infis will also get totally overpowered double pa vanish + ALL assins will see Bow classes VERY far and almost every time PA/Backstab em out of stealth

Fjott wrote: Ivia (viper3)

never had viper3 in my entire daoc career. regards

Finalement wrote:Go Sword and try full Meele spec with all Charges possible and IP. You might be able to kill sth

Ask Fukas how to fail on sword spec

Cjasca wrote:P.P.S. Waiting for old Ras wont help at all, cuz Hunters ( with all other Bow specc classes ) will lose PD and Mos ( Rangers will get Avoid Pain, which is almost like PD *yay ). Infis/Sbs will lose viper ( NS will still have it ) But Infis will also get totally overpowered double pa vanish + ALL assins will see Bow classes VERY far and almost every time PA/Backstab em out of stealth

They will be fine for AMG gang-bang every 30mins when true sight is up