Hello, i have a question for us, because i have no experience to play on uthgard so i need some information about eldritch.

During the liveling i see only mana eld, instead at level 50 i can see also light eld. And where are void eld? I ask some information during the game and someone say to me that the void eld are useless in PVP as in PVE, someother says that is a bad spec for PVP because the bolt miss always a target when that is in combat.

I need to understand, i need knowledge so i will waiting for theyr responses

PS my question is 4 PVP spec and not for PVE spec, thx 4 all

one of the main problems (also for firewhiz, runecarver) is the wrong damage calculation of bolt damages. It is way to low.

it doesent matter if bolts are working or not, void is utter rubbish anyway.

Void is great for Keep/Relic-Fights coz of the GTAE but nothing more i would say.

As the other guys already said, bolt dmg is low, and void sux as PvP spec anyway. Light Eldritch is one of the best PvP char in Daoc

Eldritch is pretty straight forward toon, basically there are two viable specilazations. In my oppinion both can be used for PvP successfully, see summary below.

1, Light spec (46 light / 28 mana)

- best nearsight, strongest dex/qui debuff, 209 delve spec DD (also no variance with baseline dd for assist nuking)
- weak ae/snare dd, weak pbae, yellow mezz (good for pet control for example)
- ae disease, weak str/con debuff

2, Mana spec (50 mana / 20 light)

- best pbae, snare DD, AE snare DD, str/con, disease
- weak d/q, mezz, nearsight
- big variance on base light dds until higher realm rank

3, Void spec (49 void, 10 light, 20 mana)

- spec bolt, spec AE dd, gtae, red energy debuff
- weak stuff from light and mana spec, see above

Well to be honest I'm not really sure on void spec here as no-one with some experience plays this horrible line The only situation i saw a void eld in work was back in the pbae days against savage grps where the 50% energy debuff was used with high rank chanters moc-pbing down quad machines.

I would choose light spec for todays pvp, the pbaeing incompetent / no resist groups/zerg days are over. That makes the pbae spec a bit weaker as you won't be using PBAE for killing most of the time. The snare dd is way lower dps compared to light spec dd. It has slower cast time, lower damage, the snare effect is nice but with disease light spec has something for that aswell. If you group up with chanters, your dps will be lower using baseline dd and they cannot debuff for you, unlike with light spec where they can nicely debuff for your 209 delve cold spec dd.

Todays caster groups use exstension tic-tacs and for those situations light eld is more fitting as range is king and their dps beats mana there by miles. Furthermore on a server where the only weapon against nearsight is purge, red ns is a very good weapon against support / other casters.

Damn, i will stop spamming now. Hope you find the info you are looking for

If animist is ever working void eld will be good because they debuff body.

You all see the tree and lose the forest. Void Eld is cool. I have one and is awesome.
Yes bolt miss, as much as normal nuke spells get resisted.


The AE spell is more powerful than the Mana spec one, the base line nuke (+ spec training never forget that) is not as good as the light but almost as good, because 50 hp damage isn't that much of difference. And not forget GTAE and spec bolt.


So play what you want, and NEVER listen to others of what they like to play.

If you want to be effective in RvR NEVER listen to advice like this:

Fediuld wrote:So play what you want, and NEVER listen to others of what they like to play.

I semi-agree, you must play what you want... And change if it doesn't work. The own-experience is the best way to understand why a choice is the good choice
I played my NS as I wanted (BM/poison spec). I was awesome until Thid. I respec it, but I played what I wanted to play, and I had fun when someone told me I could suxx ^^
Hope I helped you ^^

Fediuld wrote:So play what you want, and NEVER listen to others of what they like to play.

That would be true I guess but I would rather use it in respect to classes wanted or not wanted in pvp (hybrids, wizard etc). People expect an eld to cover a variety of functions as in nearsight - disease - dmg which void doesn't really offer or if so weaker than other specs.

A void eldritch might be fun but certainly lacks potential due to the choice of speccing. Why would you want to be less useful than the other guy standing next to you simply by speccing the worst line of the three available?

I'm glad I'm not alone. I leveled my eld 5-20 as void solo, and it was hell. Mana spec here I come..

Thx all for our answer. Now i know that i'm not alone ^^. Atm i'm lvl 41, void spec because i haven't many time to log so i choice this spec to lvl-ing in solo. When i reach lvl 50 i see which spec could be the best for me.

Fortunately there are respec stone, in this manner platinum after platinum i find my way

As it said above, void is the weakest Eld line that is a fact, but it `s quite good in keep take , relic def and has nice cast effects. Void eld was my first char in HIb as I started with daoc after release, it was really heavy to hit lvl. 50 but it was kinda fun level a "gimp" char, today I would be too lazy for it.

But even the gtae was really weak, it was only good to rupt and annoy other caster/healer we often had a void eld grp while deffing relics 6xgtae cast at command was really funny, but it was buggy cause Int doesnt improved the damage from it, so it was low damage. I guess ìt`s bugged here too. And bolts didn `t work proper too for a long time, the damage was kinda low against tanks and so on cause the damage was lower on heavy armor then cloth for example, bolts can be blocked and didn`t hit when the target was already attacked by melee classes.

Back to topic if you want a successful character void line is not the way to go, if you dont plan to play the char quite often only for special events like a relic def it `s ok, but you will have problem to find grps that invite you for rvr or even pvm.

Fediuld is right, everybody should play what he/she wants but you ve to suffer the consequences, less grps that invites you, some kind of depression about playing a weak skilled char, no right to complain about your situations, I m not a fan of 0815 rvr setups and so on but if you want to have a bit of fun you´ve to run with good setups anyway, and there will be no room for a void eld in 8 vs 8, only if you plan to zerg.

The Eld has an extra bolt, or even shock spells known. This is like the normal, baseline contained in the Bolt, a good attack at long range. Bolts at the disadvantage of Eld is the high repetition time. Apart from the additional bolt of Eld still has the capabilities of a surface damage spell, this is quite popular due to its casting animation / known to occur in the form of a lower abutting spear, and a floor area of ​​effect damage spell. These two spells make it especially effective for stationary fights like a defense or siege of a fortress. In addition, the Eld can reduce some resistance. This would matter, heat and cold. This become particularly known as "Void" advantage.
The Eld in general, a Nemesis or a cotton ball to be. Depending on how you play him and what skills he has.

Spec This Way:
49 void, 15 light, 15 mana