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Postby jadrin » Jul 14, 2011 17:42

slightly overpowered for this setting ............

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Postby Garad » Jul 14, 2011 17:49

jadrin wrote:slightly overpowered for this setting ............


It is only overpowered if you are soloing with a class not suited or not correctly specced for solo rvr.

Don't expect to survive against high damage solo classes (mostly fully buffed by charges/pots) with you group specced group class.
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Postby jadrin » Jul 14, 2011 17:59

I was fully buffed (potions) as an eld , recieved a hit from a viper3 infil unstyled (full body res aswell) , qc mezzed him and died to viper , i think this is not how viper was ever intended to be by mythic

edit : this is coming from an infil (LOL)

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Postby Garad » Jul 14, 2011 18:02

jadrin wrote:I was fully buffed (potions) as an eld , recieved a hit from a viper3 infil unstyled (full body res aswell) , qc mezzed him and died to viper , i think this is not how viper was ever intended to be by mythic


Eld = non-solo class. Escapcially without purge 2 at least.

edit : this is coming from an infil (LOL)


I also play Ranger. So, my natural enemy are assassins with viper 3. And, in addition, my Inf has no viper.
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Postby vangonaj » Jul 14, 2011 18:17

Spec purge 3, or assasin with remedi.
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Postby jadrin » Jul 14, 2011 18:25

and how does purge help me since they can just switch another weapon with dot in ? :wall:

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Postby Gorim » Jul 14, 2011 18:40

jadrin wrote:and how does purge help me since they can just switch another weapon with dot in ? :wall:


You are an Eld so kite and use your disease, endupot and you got stuncast aswell...

Actually it's easy to tell but hard to do i know, but that's prolly the "so it should work" way to deal with it.

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Postby Asloan » Jul 14, 2011 20:14

Viper is OP, just like NS (the spell) is with the current settings. Has been discussed dozens of times, won´t change until we get OF RAs since they will not change any RAs until then.

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Postby Runental » Jul 14, 2011 20:21

Nerv Viper pls!

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Postby Orihiime » Jul 14, 2011 20:49

Fix viper ok but if u want a viper fix leave pd for ranger
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Postby EnsisFerrum » Jul 14, 2011 20:53

Viper is supposed to be countered by 26 additional points of constitution and 200 additional hitpoints or vice versa, but No toa bonuses in a setting with NF viper accesible as a passive RA for all melee stealthers of the realms is just not intended or balanced in any way, but im not complaining, i just aint running solo in any frontiers besides BGs.

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Postby shade » Jul 14, 2011 22:12

I don't really get why people b*tch about viper. New RA setting is for new HPs across the board, like WoC and others, and yes, PD for casters negates quite a bit of melee dmg, too.

Don't forget that assassins are the only class that can't get IP, the bit of extra damage is in no way overpowered.

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Postby Garad » Jul 14, 2011 22:30

jadrin wrote:and how does purge help me since they can just switch another weapon with dot in ? :wall:


Viper does 120 dmg all 4 secs making a overall dps of 40, fixed damage.

MoC3 (cost the same amount of RA points) does 75% * 325 (PBAE by "bomb") or 75% * = 209 all 2,8 ... and both values are only base damage and are in reality much higher.

So, why you didn't use Moc3?
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Postby Braxis » Jul 14, 2011 23:51

Garad wrote:
jadrin wrote:and how does purge help me since they can just switch another weapon with dot in ? :wall:


Viper does 120 dmg all 4 secs making a overall dps of 40, fixed damage.

MoC3 (cost the same amount of RA points) does 75% * 325 (PBAE by "bomb") or 75% * = 209 all 2,8 ... and both values are only base damage and are in reality much higher.

So, why you didn't use Moc3?

It it was passive everyone would have it just like...hey... :roll:
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Postby vangonaj » Jul 14, 2011 23:54

If viper 3 is overpowered ok. What about woc3? 750 instant damage? Or pd5? All plyers cry about viper but no one want see other "OP" ras.
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