Braxis, by all means, people should be able to play however they want to a degree. But if you read the example I gave way earlier on this thread I didnt add the albs and mids 1 vs 1 duel, I also didnt kill any of the albs watching the duel. I tried to kill a scout that was wandering around the fight while stealthed. You say "Respect others and you will get respect" but I dont add in peoples fights. I do respect others, but its hard to maintain that thought when you see stuff like that. Essentially, what those albs said to me was that they can give Divin easy rp's, their healer can get easy rp's, but god forbid a ranger try and also earn a few rp's while they do this.

Also, if your definition of rp farming ONLY includes people letting themselves be killed to give another rp's then I would say you need to broaden your definition a bit. What if I'm on my ranger and an alb comes up to me. I unstealth walk up to him, pull out my blades but dont do any styles, try and move, use any RA's, or pop potions, etc.. Would that count? I'm not just "letting" him kill me, but i'm only providing the absolute minimium resistance. Also, now take that same situation but give me a healer that keeps rez'ing me and allowing me to do it over and over again? That is RP farming, period. Yes, I was doing something, but I certainly wasnt trying.

Once again Braxis, please re-read my original post on this. There is nothing wrong w/ 4 alb's wanting to give Divin a fair chance in a battle. Choose one guy in the group to fight Divin and if Divin wins then rez up the alb and move on, but to sit there and repeat this over and over again, as well as killing any other solo's that show up is wrong man. I honestly am perplexed that you cant see where that is wrong. Either kill all (Hib/Mid/Alb) or play by whatever "rules" you want to set up for all.

Ron, if someone lets say, wants a chance to beat Divinarchangel even tho he knows he's tough and it will probably loose like 20 fights before he wins 1, if he do wants to beat him so bad even just once, its not rp farming, i dont see the problem.

RonELuvv, could you please stop giving "examples" and talking about random imagined fights?

The strict definition of RP farming is when people allow themselves to be killed, REPETEADLY (as many enemies simply /sit when they know they're defeated). The gray area is (arranged) dueling with rezzing, again, repeteadly, and then you have to look at factors like location (to see if this behavior can be realistically sustained over a longer period of time) was there a dedicated rezzer or a group/smallman that's roaming around and so on.

What Trishin did here was to go even beyond the admittedly gray area and ban people for simply not adding. That is wrong.

There was no dedicated rezzing in the fight(s) that started all this.

There are no "rules" anyone has to play buy. People can add you. People can also NOT add you (unless the staff actually decide to impose a dictatorship, about which I think we would all VERY much like a statement from a member of the staff). The end.

So what excatly are you talking about?

it for sure is rp farming if they meet at a arranged spot 21 times in a row, what else would you call rp farming.

This duelling at amg is a grey zone, i don't like it. But i like fair play when it happens natuarlly (yeye, laughter bla bla...), and for sure players should be able to choose if to fight or not. It is not easy to decide what is rp farming and what is normal pvp, maybe the gms misjuged this one.... but what is a five day ban on a free shard? get over it.

i think fair play is nice, not adding some1 elses fight is just to show respect and like saying, hey why dont we fight fair instead of just adding eachother 24/7

RonELuvv wrote:Essentially, what those albs said to me was that they can give Divin easy rp's, their healer can get easy rp's, but god forbid a ranger try and also earn a few rp's while they do this.

I am sure if you asked properly you would of got your duel.
Heck, i will give you a fair 1on1 any day of the week!

RonELuvv wrote:Also, if your definition of rp farming ONLY includes people letting themselves be killed to give another rp's then I would say you need to broaden your definition a bit. What if I'm on my ranger and an alb comes up to me. I unstealth walk up to him, pull out my blades but dont do any styles, try and move, use any RA's, or pop potions, etc.. Would that count? I'm not just "letting" him kill me, but i'm only providing the absolute minimium resistance. Also, now take that same situation but give me a healer that keeps rez'ing me and allowing me to do it over and over again? That is RP farming, period. Yes, I was doing something, but I certainly wasnt trying.

I understand that strictly speaking that is hard to prove, but you know it when you see it if someone is fighting back or not.

RonELuvv wrote:Once again Braxis, please re-read my original post on this. There is nothing wrong w/ 4 alb's wanting to give Divin a fair chance in a battle. Choose one guy in the group to fight Divin and if Divin wins then rez up the alb and move on, but to sit there and repeat this over and over again, as well as killing any other solo's that show up is wrong man. I honestly am perplexed that you cant see where that is wrong. Either kill all (Hib/Mid/Alb) or play by whatever "rules" you want to set up for all.

Again it depends of how the solo shows up.
And whats wrong with trying to kill him, failing, and trying again?
As long as you don't let him kill you its not rp farming.

If they killed him the first try, they would of moved on anyway...

Braxis wrote:And whats wrong with trying to kill him, failing, and trying again?
As long as you don't let him kill you its not rp farming.

Well technically, that's rp farming for the winner, but there is nothing wrong in trying and triying again to kill him, it should only be punishable if someone let the other kill him again and again.

Entreri wrote:

Braxis wrote:And whats wrong with trying to kill him, failing, and trying again?
As long as you don't let him kill you its not rp farming.

Well technically, that's rp farming for the winner, but there is nothing wrong in trying and triying again to kill him, it should only be punishable if someone let the other kill him again and again.

So when I wtf pwn someone its rp farming!?

Better and better...

It is RP farming if u r guarded by others wtf pwning ur adds, and gratz that u can kill any class with an unbalanced reaver
Slam Levi Levi Levi, run through face levi, run through face levi ,run through face levi ,run through face levi

pweet wrote:It is RP farming if u r guarded by others wtf pwning ur adds

No, it's not.

pweet wrote:It is RP farming if u r guarded by others wtf pwning ur adds, and gratz that u can kill any class with an unbalanced reaver

No its not.

And its balanced just fine by dev created bugs.

pweet wrote:Slam Levi Levi Levi, run through face levi, run through face levi ,run through face levi ,run through face levi

Slam gets purged 80% of time.

Thanks, it takes a lot of practice to get the timing right, especially when the melee mechanics get changed on a yearly basis...

BTW: where did i state that i can kill any class?

Oswaldo wrote:i think fair play is nice, not adding some1 elses fight is just to show respect and like saying, hey why dont we fight fair instead of just adding eachother 24/7

Always this fair-play-discusion .. /yawn. For myself this game is fun because of ALL alternatives of rvr and pve of course. I agree, that an each-day-zerg-event would be boring, cause in zergfights the winner realm wins in 99,9% of the cases just because of outnumbering the enemy realm. Respect for 1vs1 fights and respect for ur enemy in general is a good thing, but i am far away of trying to convince somebody here, cause this - and all forum posts about- is ABSOLUTLY senseless.

Another ot thing, just a funny hint about this fair play thing. I remember a fight with my mincer vs divin. After i kited him down, he complains about in irc, that i should play fair and melee him.

On topic, Arranged duels are forbidden and thats a good thing. If u like those duels more often, u should ask gms for 1vs1 events. Question is, at which point u can speak about an arranged duel, which should result in a punishment by gms? So gms should decide objectiv and carefully, if the special situation really deserves a ban or not. And when theres spoken about more then 10k rps done in such a duel meeting, well, than its just too much for a smaller, tolleratable rule brake in my eyes. But only the people who really took part should be banned and not those guys, who stand there just to watch.

greez, elrill

From way staff has responded my interpretation is maybe that when you "stumble" on a random duel you either must either add right away or if watch the "random" duel kill the winner. Or just move on away from the "duelers" and not watch if not going a to kill the winner or add a realm mate.



Note i didn't put in the in realm enemy verses realm enemy because i do agree with we are at war concept with enemy realms but i do believe my realm mates deserve consideration to have a fair 1v1 when it happens randomly.

@ Braxis- how exactly do you want me to ask them? You mean over IRC which could be considered an arranged duel and possibly be banned? I dont have toons in Mid and Alb, so the only way I can communicate w/ players from other realms is on IRC and I dont use IRC because I dont want to deal w/ constant trolling and flaming.

@ Nymeros- I get that we dont see eye to eye on this issue, but I give examples since me simply telling you why I feel that the situation this thread was created for does have it's issues. Also, none of my original 2 examples were "made up". These all happened. I also agree with your sentiments about if people want to add they can, if they dont want to add they dont have to, and all your other comments, but I dont agree that sitting at amg and rez'ing people while they take turns getting killed by a player from an opposite realm is fair. If you want to duel and just duel for fun then go to your own realm and duel away. The reason people dont do this is because they dont get rp's for this. Maybe its not rp farming, but its definately not fair to others that want to fight around amg. Dueling to give 1 solo a chance against 4 is ok in my book. Rezzing the loser over and over again and repeating is when it crosses the line. Just my oppinion and even tho I realise it may not be your's or others, I have the right to express it just like you do.

RonELuvv wrote:I dont agree that sitting at amg and rez'ing people while they take turns getting killed by a player from an opposite realm is fair.

Then we feel the same about this issue (except, again, I dislike the word "fair" as it is very subjective). In fact if you go back to page 1 or 2 of this topic you can see a post of mine that Trishin quoted in which I spoke out against this very behavior in Odins (when it was, at least for a time, a solo zone). I still don't think it should be a bannable offense though, simply due to the location of the incidents you mentioned.

You have to admit that it's very different when a a couple of players bring a rezzer and they duel somewhere in Hadrians where no one ever goes, opposed to when a smallman elects to stop at AMG and gives one of their own a chance to fight 1v1 against someone. And yes, that includes guarding the duel against adds, if they so choose.

Again, this isn't an issue of fair/unfair, but of bannable/unbannable.

And I don't mind you (or anyone else) expressing their opinion in any way, I just dislike watering down the issue at hand.