I wanted to post something here along the lines of the previous posters but realised the futility. You are just account 3243614 on this server and have to play according to a set of rules, of which some are serious food for interpretation (like 3.3). In situations like this, the opinion of a GM is the only thing that counts, and you're the unlucky guy at the wrong end of the ban stick.

Im a US player that holds no weight in 1vs1 honor system. I play a stealther, a "Assassin Class" I will add on you if your beating on a realm mate who is not going to win. I will not add if my realm mate is going to win easily. I also believe in realm pride. Never cross realmed on live and wont here.

That being said, If I am standing around watching my realm mate kill a player and get banned. That is stupid. If I cant take my time to choose who I want to kill and get banned, that is stupid. I always liked to use /rofl its great and keeps the player coming back for more. On this server is "Disabled" due to some pride honor fighting thing. I think if we can get realms angry with each other again, we can see some great fights with no turn taking 1 vs 1. Locking the realms would be key, but some of you are invested heavily in other realms so this would be difficult to do with out massive complaints.

On a different note: We are all addicts, this is the biggest pile of free crack with the largest population that we will find. We know that, and staff knows that. We are not going anywhere and will take it how ever they serve it since we are not paying for a thing. Staff will ban players wrongfully in a mistake, this is not the first time. If this was done by a Mythic GM, they would be fired. But this server is free to play, and staff works for free. For us to expect or hold them accountable for anything being bugs or fixes in a timely manor is plain dumb if we are not paying a dime there way.

It occurred to me after I did my last post on another thread that, we wont get the higher support on bugs, rules, or game-play that we did expect on live. Its funny now that after reading the years of bug thread (my own included) and broken class that we still hold staff to do the right thing which Mythic did, (except TOA) After all this is there sandbox we are guests, this is there rules, there time.

If we were paying for this, I bet 95% of the bugs would be fixed, class bugs included.


I now know what my expectations are with the staff.......do any of you?

Celteen wrote:

skdante wrote:In the middle of the fight some albs passing amg stoped to see the fight . a mid troll inc it was then like 7albs vs 2 mids now .
The troll scald bowed to me so other albs didn't attacked him . so we started fighting 1v1 . When i was like 50% 3 mids came to amg and added then all albs fight em but didn't interfere with my fight with the troll and eternas with divin that was still fighting.
i got 1 scald add that i killed . The troll scald sited to gain full hp as i did cause of the add of the other scald.(note troll gave to me a fair fight since when the scald added he pulled back). and then we started fighting again
/CHEER Cazad ,Praha ,Instacool ,Eternas ,Divinarchangel ,Muni

Yeah and that's exactly what we don't wanna see here. Guarding each other for 1vs1 is not the spirit of the game and destroys the fun for more people than you can imagine. 1vs1 players are maybe 30 people at max, having an eye of each others for all those random noob adders, who would just get farmed by your RR8+ 1vs1 zerg at amg.
Big thx to Trishin

rofl celteen.... u didnt understand a single word and u talk!

Akip wrote:Well i as one of the hib grp members can just say how disgusting that is to have 2 guys running behind you or somewhere near you and decide if they add or not.
They don't realy help you or so they fight for there own to make best profit with rp. They are 7l1 and 7l3 now just looked it up. Its good enough to start rvr allready.
The most annoying is that afterwords ofc the enemys bring more and run together 2fg sticked or so. But than celteen/killkeen don't add cause they might die ...

Akip ask to Blue if your grp can attack em when they add ^^

RonELuvv wrote:Wow, I see alot of people upset by this and based on the variations of stories i've read I can understand why.

You see many people upset about it because the majority of forum posters are 8vs8 or 1vs1 guys, while the casuals like BR and Keep Raiding don't even look in this forum.

RonELuvv wrote:
2. About 1 week after the above incident took place I went out to AMG solo on my ranger and there was 4 visible albs and 1 solo mid. The mid was Divin and 1 alb out of the 4 was fighting him while the other 3 watched. Divin beat the alb, and afterwards the albs rez’d the dead alb and they sat down and waited for Divin to heal up then another in the group “duel’d” him and this went on for awhile. Now, I cant stress this enough, I don’t really think this is fair or right, but I was ok with it since othewise it would have been 4 vs 1.

This is basically the definition of RP farming, why are you complaining. At least now I know how he can get that many RP's.

GoGreen wrote:This is basically the definition of RP farming, why are you complaining. At least now I know how he can get that many RP's.

Yea right, he got his rr11 like that.

Seriously, noone can tell anyone whom to or not to attack.

As for dueling with or without a rezzer, I see no problem with that.

Sure beats roaming with a a solo visible until the first stealther 4man spots you...

Dueling like that is fun, you can learn something, and its not like you're letting someone win (rp farming).
You're accepting the chance of dying to that enemy, whether there is someone to rezz you or not is unimportant imo (there are rez sickness and port timers to prevent you from returning to the action instantly if that is such a bad thing...).

IMO duels should be tolerated, like they were on live.
Its not like anyone is forcing you to (or not to) participate.
More fun then /q after /rel when a fg of stealthers with a healer/buffer is camping your milegate...

Braxis wrote:
Seriously, noone can tell anyone whom to or not to attack.

As for dueling with or without a rezzer, I see no problem with that.

Well you just show that there was a sub culture forming which is totally contra the Uthgard and live rules. Luckily the Staff made a clear statement about it now and you can't cry anymore if it happens again.
Even on live dueling with a rezz bot was forbidden, so what do you wanna tell us? Time for you to change else GM's show up again.

GoGreen wrote:Well you just show that there was a sub culture forming which is totally contra the Uthgard and live rules.

If by subculture you mean someone who actually thought about it for a few days and formed an educated opinion then yes.

GoGreen wrote:Luckily the Staff made a clear statement about it now and you can't cry anymore if it happens again.

No, they are just dictating on how I must play this game or else...
I can think of a few political movements that were similar in those respects.

GoGreen wrote:Even on live dueling with a rezz bot was forbidden, so what do you wanna tell us?

That it doesn't have to be that way here, seriously reread my post a few times you'll get my picture eventually.

BTW: that not what I've heard.

GoGreen wrote:This is basically the definition of RP farming

No, it isn't.

That's one person being able to defeat several in a row, and the other people choosing to fight him 1v1 because they think they'll be able to beat him. If the entire realm of Albion stood in line to attack Divinarchangel 1v1 it STILL wouldn't be RP farming.

Full groups who like to play fair don't add all the time, and wait their turn to attack. Even duos/trios sometimes don't add. RP farming is exploiting the RvR system by out of game means.

Since sometimes that can't be reliably proven, other factors have to be taken into consideration, namely two: the place where the alleged farming is taking place, and can it be repeated for a long period of time uninterrupted.

This time it was at AMG, so the location factor is null and void. There is no single location worse on Uthgard to "RP farm". There was also no dedicated rezzer, making the other factor not present as well.

Seems to me that this forum is totally biased by a small part of the RvR population. For every one posting a little off the forum red line aka 1vs1 8vs8 you will find at least 3-4 people investigating this out of line post to get their small micro cosmos working again

I don't see how that is relevant, but no, I don't think that's correct. I think that the forum represents almost every aspect of the RvR population.

And as I've already said, this isn't about 1v1, 8v8, fair vs unfair or whatever else people try to make it about. This is about the staff taking liberties that they shouldn't and telling people (who don't exploit) how they can and can't behave in RvR based on a made up rule that never existed in normal DAoC.

So in short: whoever feels the need to add a 1v1, or gank people standing around waiting for a fight to finish, he is absolutely free to do so. But the other side is also free not to add, and that, really, is all this is about.

GoGreen wrote:Seems to me that this forum is totally biased by a small part of the RvR population. For every one posting a little off the forum red line aka 1vs1 8vs8 you will find at least 3-4 people investigating this out of line post to get their small micro cosmos working again

Yes, we like to think for ourselves, play fair, and not being stripped of our basic liberties.

/sit

Nymeros wrote:

RonELuvv wrote:Your right, the staff should not be able to dictate who and how you fight, but if you are going to play by these arbitrary ridiculous rules then please apply those rules to all. Its like listening to Holsten talk about his ideal 8 vs 8. Yah, DG uses one set of rules when fighting these guys, a different set of rules when fighting MB or BA, and then we basically kill zerg any solo stealthers….. COME ON MAN!!! Make up your mind w/ what rules you running with. I will play this game however the community wants, but stick w/ something and don’t pick and choose. Nothing wrong w/ people wanting to institute ways for solo’s to have more fun (see example 1) and another thing entirely when you want to use those rules for SOME players and not for others (see example 2).

No.

This has nothing to do with you, or what you take issue with, or who made you mad. People can still add you (or me, or anyone) if they want and no one can forbid them to. This is not some arbitrary fair play rule we're talking about, these are the basics of DAoC as a social MMO.

Wow Nymeros, that a way to take somthing I wrote and put your own biased slant on it. I didnt write this to show who I was "mad" at, I was simply pointing out 2 examples i've had in the last few weeks out at amg that is very similiar to the situations that are being discussed in this forum thread. One of the examples I thought was showing the good sides to what can happen from doing this, the other was showing some of the bad sides. Example # 2 was bad for 2 reasons. One, the albs were rez'ing the dead which in the example I gave, to me that is a minor variation of rp farming. The other is that it is upsetting when poeple play with 1 set of "rules" for 1 person and not for others. Please dont put words in my mouth Nymersos.

RonELuvv wrote:
2. About 1 week after the above incident took place I went out to AMG solo on my ranger and there was 4 visible albs and 1 solo mid. The mid was Divin and 1 alb out of the 4 was fighting him while the other 3 watched. Divin beat the alb, and afterwards the albs rez’d the dead alb and they sat down and waited for Divin to heal up then another in the group “duel’d” him and this went on for awhile. Now, I cant stress this enough, I don’t really think this is fair or right, but I was ok with it since othewise it would have been 4 vs 1.

This is basically the definition of RP farming, why are you complaining. At least now I know how he can get that many RP's.[/quote]

I'm confused, you ask why am I complaining? I'm complaining because of exactly what you said. "This is basically the definition of RP farming..." Now they are sitting at AMG and 2 things happen. 1) Apparently I cant enjoy a 1 vs 1 fight but Divin can. 2) Because they are rez'ing the dead albs this could go on for awhile there by making it so that way only those people can enjoy AMG while I have to sit there and do nothing because if I try and add or have my own fight I get rolled. I was trying to show 2 examples of similiar instances that the starter of this thread got banned for. I was trying to show that sometimes during these "duels" its fair and fun and other times its just as you said "RP farming" and ruins an area for others.

RP farming is when someone doesn't fight back and you kill him.