Just since Minst are even more OP it doesnt mean that rangers are bad

pweet wrote:Just since Minst are even more OP it doesnt mean that rangers are bad

Solo minstrels are far from being OPed - downside is you usually see them in packs (Davidz/Coffee/Leonly/... lolzerg ).
Versus melee rangers they probably kite quite well, assassins should have the upperhand over mincers, though.

its all about your playstyle as a mincer.

if i look at the "lolzerg" that shade mentioned you see how NOT to play a minstrel ( i will never understand how a minstrel goes into melee vs a warrior/hero xDDD maybe wanna try slam=>dead) Its a very strong solo class

take a look at the videos Nag made (especially the 3rd one), but kiting is a playstyle not everyone likes even it is very effective.

Bartinzo wrote:

Finalement wrote:If you create a Stealther you have to live with Stealthwar/zerg/mosbots etc.

If you roll a Solo-visible you have to deal with tons of idiots from the Community which currently make solo RvR visible very hard.

Either way, you won't find much Soloaction here.

But for your choice:
Stealther: Minstrel>Ranger>Infi>SB>NS>other Archers

Non Stealther: Thane/Friar/VW/Champ/Warrior are the best soloclasses.
Ofc every class can be played as a solo class
Animist is kind of broken here.

If I do roll a solo visible.. I want to roll something that groups will also invite here.. What would you suggest?

To stay on topic (unlike the others here..) I would suggest you to take a Tank then.
Midgard has the best Tank for solo AND grp wih the Warrior. With 50 Shield+50 Weapon spec they have high def and high off.
On the other realms I would suggest a Merc (Albion) or BM (Hib). They both can spec 42 Shield and 50 Dual Wield (whioch decreases Def of the enemy). You have to switch your offhand and the shield manually (no macro for that on Uthgard) but you can pump out huge damage. Also Merc and BM are a must have in most of the grps running out.

The only problem you might encounter is that your RA-spec is different in grps and solo. A grp-Warrior has to take Det5 for sure, a solo Warrior can do Det3 or even no Det at all and take IP instead.
It depends on your favourit playstyle.

But one rule I learned here is that you won't get grps with the mightiest Soloclasses.
A Valewalker nearly never gets grp in Hib (only in guild/Alliance-grps and some rare PuGs). Same goes for Champ, Thane and Friar.

If you don't care about searching a bit longer for grp you might also try Reaver or Skald.
Reaver can be powerfull if played good in Solo-RvR and he has a chance to get grps since he has his mighty lvl 50 Flexible Style and Slam.
Skald will easy find grps also, since he has Speed, SoS, AoG and Instamezz/Snare. The problem here might be that there are tons of Skalds around. In Solo RvR a Skald is powerfull since he can take good use of IP AND FA. The instamezz and -snare give him a chance to rest a bit and wait for First Aid or Poitons. Also SoS helps you to get away from a hopeless fight and Speed gives you the possibility to avoid bigger grps.

All in all, like I said before, it depends on your own playstyle. I hope I helped you a bit with this. If you got questions: Ask.

PS: Yes I didn't write about Mincers..

Finalement wrote:

Bartinzo wrote:

Finalement wrote:If you create a Stealther you have to live with Stealthwar/zerg/mosbots etc.

If you roll a Solo-visible you have to deal with tons of idiots from the Community which currently make solo RvR visible very hard.

Either way, you won't find much Soloaction here.

But for your choice:
Stealther: Minstrel>Ranger>Infi>SB>NS>other Archers

Non Stealther: Thane/Friar/VW/Champ/Warrior are the best soloclasses.
Ofc every class can be played as a solo class
Animist is kind of broken here.

If I do roll a solo visible.. I want to roll something that groups will also invite here.. What would you suggest?

To stay on topic (unlike the others here..) I would suggest you to take a Tank then.
Midgard has the best Tank for solo AND grp wih the Warrior. With 50 Shield+50 Weapon spec they have high def and high off.
On the other realms I would suggest a Merc (Albion) or BM (Hib). They both can spec 42 Shield and 50 Dual Wield (whioch decreases Def of the enemy). You have to switch your offhand and the shield manually (no macro for that on Uthgard) but you can pump out huge damage. Also Merc and BM are a must have in most of the grps running out.

The only problem you might encounter is that your RA-spec is different in grps and solo. A grp-Warrior has to take Det5 for sure, a solo Warrior can do Det3 or even no Det at all and take IP instead.
It depends on your favourit playstyle.

But one rule I learned here is that you won't get grps with the mightiest Soloclasses.
A Valewalker nearly never gets grp in Hib (only in guild/Alliance-grps and some rare PuGs). Same goes for Champ, Thane and Friar.

If you don't care about searching a bit longer for grp you might also try Reaver or Skald.
Reaver can be powerfull if played good in Solo-RvR and he has a chance to get grps since he has his mighty lvl 50 Flexible Style and Slam.
Skald will easy find grps also, since he has Speed, SoS, AoG and Instamezz/Snare. The problem here might be that there are tons of Skalds around. In Solo RvR a Skald is powerfull since he can take good use of IP AND FA. The instamezz and -snare give him a chance to rest a bit and wait for First Aid or Poitons. Also SoS helps you to get away from a hopeless fight and Speed gives you the possibility to avoid bigger grps.

All in all, like I said before, it depends on your own playstyle. I hope I helped you a bit with this. If you got questions: Ask.

PS: Yes I didn't write about Mincers..

The topic is still about rangers.

Anyway, no, rangers aren't bad at 50. They aren't as good as at their earlier levels, but played well, they are a formidable class.

Ranger is the best solo class in uthgard.

I agree, I dont know where you heard they are fodder at 50, but 90% of the topics involving rangers on these threads are about how op'd they are. The truth is at low RR (4L2-5L0) they can be tough to play if not mele spec. After 5L0 if spec'd and played properly they are very formidable chars. Mele are very easy to play at low RR and only get stronger as RR increases. Hybrid and Sniper spec are both great options but harder to play well at lower RR since they really need some good RA's to work. Play whichever style suites ur playstyle.

On a side note to all the people that say, "Please dont make a ranger, there are too many as it is...." Please stop with these comments. If you look at all the chars you will see that there are more Inf's then there are rangers. The reason is that as "op'd" as the ranger is the inf is even more unfair. They get more points then any other assasin class (even tho they have the same lines to spec in as other assasins) and this allow's them to get to 50 dualing shadow's, without sacrificing anywhere else in there skills, even at low RR's and spam a anytime front style that does good dmg and has a great bleed. Please, if you dont like rangers then fine, your entitled to your opinion. Just please dont make comments that make it sound like thats all that hib's play is ranger when there is almost as many shades, there is MORE inf's, and almost as many minstrils.

Ron that is completely wrong. Infs get .3 more spec points per level but also happen to be the only stealther in the game that has no stun at all if they spec slash without landing PA/CD or BS2. Thrust infs have to spec 50 weapon to get a stun that lasts 1 second longer then hibs can get at 25 pierce and 1 second less then SBs can get a 39 sword or LA (even though both of those are second in a chain). If you spec 50 DW to get dual shadows you absolutely sacrifice because either you spec 50 weapon (most likely thrust) for the stun and then you cant even spec 21 CS until R11 without losing a lot of envenom or stealth, or you spec 50 DW for dual shadows and raise your CS but you have no stun outside your CS line.

Rangers on the other hand can get a stun at 25 pierce or a 4 second anytime stun in CD. And yes, I don't care that people say whaaaa it's not an anytime it's a side positional. Anyone who has played 10 min in rvr knows that thanks to lag abuse its an anytime. Neither albs nor mids have access to a positional stun like that (unless you count hunters but seriously who is afraid of hunters on uthgard). Also there may be more infs in terms of sheer numbers but if you look at the number of R5+ rangers compared to R5+ infs its not even close. Rangers are common here because they are easy to play, the best 1v1 on uthgard, and scale better with RAs then any other class.

roflcopter wrote:Ron that is completely wrong. Infs get .3 more spec points per level but also happen to be the only stealther in the game that has no stun at all if they spec slash without landing PA/CD or BS2. Thrust infs have to spec 50 weapon to get a stun that lasts 1 second longer then hibs can get at 25 pierce and 1 second less then SBs can get a 39 sword or LA (even though both of those are second in a chain). If you spec 50 DW to get dual shadows you absolutely sacrifice because either you spec 50 weapon (most likely thrust) for the stun and then you cant even spec 21 CS until R11 without losing a lot of envenom or stealth, or you spec 50 DW for dual shadows and raise your CS but you have no stun outside your CS line.

Rangers on the other hand can get a stun at 25 pierce or a 4 second anytime stun in CD. And yes, I don't care that people say whaaaa it's not an anytime it's a side positional. Anyone who has played 10 min in rvr knows that thanks to lag abuse its an anytime. Neither albs nor mids have access to a positional stun like that (unless you count hunters but seriously who is afraid of hunters on uthgard). Also there may be more infs in terms of sheer numbers but if you look at the number of R5+ rangers compared to R5+ infs its not even close. Rangers are common here because they are easy to play, the best 1v1 on uthgard, and scale better with RAs then any other class.

The topic is rangers. Not infiltrators. Unless original poster asks, don't go there.

Oh my bad. I forgot the part where you can tell me what I can post. The OP posted about rangers got it. And someone else on here made some comparisons between infs and rangers which is why i wrote what I did. So how about "no you". Thanks.

roflcopter wrote:Oh my bad. I forgot the part where you can tell me what I can post. The OP posted about rangers got it. And someone else on here made some comparisons between infs and rangers which is why i wrote what I did. So how about "no you". Thanks.

No, I can't tell you what to post. But why argue with arguments you think are idiotic? You think you'll convince the other guy he's wrong?

Unlikely.

But go ahead, convince him.

Some numbers for roflcoptor to think about:

Total rangers according to The Herald: 4225
Total rangers above 2L0: 1055
Total rangers above 5L0: 131

Total Inf's: 3322
Total Infs above 2L0: 1000
Total Infs above 5L0: 142

There ya go, number dont lie. There are around 900 more rangers then infs from 1L-1L9, but almost the exact same number of rangers and infs at 2L0 or above and MORE infs that are 5L0. I used 2L0 as another point, because 1L0-1L9 toons could be complete garbage alts. I figure if you take a toon to 2L0 you have some chance you may take them to 50 and get them to a decent RR. Fact is there are just as many inf's roaming around in RvR as there are rangers, so quit using the tired old excuse of, "Since there is alot of ranger's it proves it's an op'd class..." That argument holds no weight at all.

Also, in response to you comment about the specs, so using your logic you get more spec points because you dont have access to the same stun that hibs and mids get then what would you say if I said its unfair that albs get 3 stealther classes and mids and hibs only get 2? Also, that stealther class you get that we dont has insta stuns AND insta mezz's AND can climb walls as well. Oh, and you get the scout which gets a 9 sec anytime shield slam stun. Maybe thats why you dont get access to the same stuns Mids and Hibs get. Fact remains that Infiltrator has the EXACT same amount of lines to spec into (5 lines) as the other 2 assasins but they get more points. Rangers on the other hand get the EXACT same amount of points as scouts and hunters even tho we have another line we need to spec into. Facts are facts....

Just so you know ron the reasons infs got more spec points back in the day, and stated so by mythic was because SBs got free 2h weapons and NS got free magic.

Weather or not you think that is "balanced" is another point altogether but its why infs have more spec points because there is nothing else special about them.

And also his point about the speclines still stands because infs are balanced based off what minstrels can do just like NS arent balanced off what rangers can do.

I'm aware of the reason Mythic gave for giving Inf's higher spec points, but NS magic does nothing other then 1 interupt when chasing and inf's can stil luse crossbow. Ask any NS out there and i bet 99.9% would gladly give up NS magic to have .3 more spec points per lvl. Besides, we are getting way off point. My original comment comparing inf's and rangers was in response to essedum's comment about "Dont make another ranger, there is allready to many on the server..." and another comment from somebody else saying "If rangers are fodder then how comes there are so many on helald..." Bascially, they were using this thread, like all threads, to QQ more about how rangers are op'd. I'm tired of this. I play a ranger, were not anymore op'd then several other classes that I NEVER HEAR ABOUT ON THIS GAME! When Albs and Mids start calling out their own classes for being op'd then I might take the ranger discussion more seriously.

Also Mauriac, I'm a liltte confused by what you meant on your last statement. Did you mean to say that Infiltrators are NOT based on what minstrils can do like Rangers are NOT based on what NS's can do? If that is what you meant then I can see where you are coming from to a degree. When I made that comment I wasnt saying that because Albs get a 3rd stealther w/ uber cc and climb walls that it was justified to not give their inf's a stun, I was making the comment because roflcoptor said that because inf's didnt get a stun like NS's and SB's they get more points. USING THAT LOGIC (not saying I agree w/ said logic) then I guess Hib's and Mids' should wait for our own 3rd stealther class.

You see, roflcoptor is trying to use the "Well this realm gets this and this realm gets this so we should get this other thing to counteract that....." logic. That logic doesnt work in this argument because I showed where Alb stealther chars (not infs) get better and more crowd control (stuns and mez's) then either of the other 2 realms.

Roflcoptors logic: Mids/Hibs get side stun and rear stun at lower lvl's = Inf's should get more points to get a similiar effect in their attack lines.

But that same logic doesnt apply to things Albs get but hib's and mid's dont. I dont see Roflcoptor asking Uthgard to give Rangers shield spec and a 9 sec anytime stun. I dont see him asking Uthgard to make our bard be able to climb walls and stealth.

In other words his logic is flawed for the reason why they get more points. Yours is right, about the reason why Mythic did it. I remember when the patch was put in on live. I dont think its fair, but I hate when the pot is calling the kettle black.