holsten for so many days we got repeatedly added by your group in 8v8. i can understand your reasons that you cant get with other way rps from us but getting cocky on us cause you won adding fights thats bad for your image . The 8v8 in emain the last month changed and 8v8 is almost extincted , anything is accepted in war and love. and this is war .

we had great 8v8 days the last weeks, just ba and mb add us, all other grps don't. Even the pugs

holsten-knight wrote:we had great 8v8 days the last weeks, just ba and mb add us, all other grps don't. Even the pugs

This just shows the weird argumentation of the hardcore 8vs8. Either don't add anyone (even the adders ) or just say that you are not better than anyone else by adding some selected groups
There are no real 8vs8 guilds out here, expect maybe Rare deal with it you damn adders =)

well, mb and ba are also the only grps we add. I like it this way, at least you know if to add or not

holsten-knight wrote:we had great 8v8 days the last weeks, just ba and mb add us, all other grps don't. Even the pugs

As Skdante pointed out BA started the "Add DG" policy since DG has been adding almost every single fight where you could for weeks. Before last week BA did normally not try to add you except for zergy situations and 3-ways (which don't count anyway) even when you have been adding on them relentlessly.

So far for the one-sided remark.

Where's Nerobit btw ?

If you are a "fair" player you should not add fights of opponent realms as well, otherwise your argumentation about not adding is just none sense.

All the "fair" arguments are not valid so the point about fairness is not valid.

Fair would be same playeramount of same realm rank with same buffs, similar specs and similar opponents... ergo...
never will happen

This statement about fairness itself is also only a piece of the cake because fairness got many synonymslike:

aboveboard, benevolent, blameless, candid, civil, clean, courteous, decent, disinterested, dispassionate, equal, equitable, even-handed, frank, generous, good, honest, honorable, impartial, just, lawful, legitimate, moderate, nonpartisan, objective, on the level, on up-and-up, open, pious, praiseworthy, principled, proper, reasonable, respectable, righteous, scrupulous, sincere, square, straight, straightforward, temperate, trustworthy, unbiased, uncolored, uncorrupted, upright, virtuous


So to sum it up: The discussion about "fair" play in 8vs8 is just bullshit

I will say it 1 last time it isnt a problem dg chain adding us . We can do the same . And iam a member of this grp and from the start we had 1 policy and still have .You get what you seed. You add us we add you .You attack us right when we finish the fight with other grp having nothing up and giving no time to rest rebuff etc we do the same.
Each grp have it policy like dg have the policy of add what ever you cant kill .No problem but pls holsten dont tell that only Mb and Ba add you and the pug grps dont thats realy funny .
One last time you get what you seed holsten so feast on the fruits of your doing your grp well earned all the adds from us.

Runental you are so out of facts with your answer but its expected from a guy blinded by hate towards a guild to give a totally crap answer just to satisfy his wounded ego ...

You get what you seed...

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I just wanted to add a point of view from someone who has never run in an 8 man RvR group.

All these arguments about adding and zerging is totally pointless. The point of this game in RVR is to kill the opposing side. Crying about not allowing people to join in from an enemy realm because you are already fighting someone else is just crap. You are supposed to be killing each other, regardless.

Whilst i can understand the ethics behind trying to preserve some kind of honour system where by everyone takes it in turns to kill each other; it just isn't an official stance.

Historically, you could challenge the opposing army by sending out your champion for a 1v1 fight, so its not totally unfeasible to comprehend it being a valid way of fighting in DOAC. You could also say that if two armies were fighting each other and a 3rd unaligned army appeared, they would sit it out and wait to see who the victors were, then kill them.

Personally, my only chance to get RP's is to either duo with my shaman friend in DF or join in a zerg. I don't join in with PUG's because I'm just not "hardcore" enough for most groups. I don't eat, sleep and ****** DOAC code so i don't know all the tricks and exploits to get easy RP's. I'm not in a guild because i can't speak German and I don't have set times when i can play (my children tend to get in the way) and my character isn't pimped out with the multiple platinum templates needed to survive more then 5 seconds. If i win in RvR, its because I've rolled my face on my keyboard a few times in the blind panic that my brain suffers from, on a FG inc.

If it were not for BG's and Zergs, RvR in this game would be dead for me. Therefore, if there were a poll about it, I would vote for keeping it exactly as it is.

1v1, 2v2, 8v8, 32v32 whatever, just bring your armies and we'll either win or lose.

holsten-knight wrote:well, mb and ba are also the only grps we add. I like it this way, at least you know if to add or not

Sounds like ba and mb started this allover ... poor dg are just the vicitims Sounds funny... keep the pointless discussion up^^

mb started adding us for a week before we started to add them. Guess they will say it was the other way around... I remember times we did not add each other. I asked woody if we want to go back to not adding, and he said not possible. No problem for me.

ba ran with add minstrel before we started to add them.. you get what you seed

And ramboz and dioz adding every grp fight with their stealthers at noon and rage against adders in primetime is just

I never said we do never get addet by pug grps, but a lot do not add. WoG does not add us, rare does not, realm joint does not, even hexagon does not always add ... the only grps constantly adding are mb and ba, the grps demanding no add the most.

And yes we add 3-ways. We loose at least 60% of the 3-ways we add, but the fights are fun 90% of the time. So we will not stop that

"ba ran with add minstrel before we started to add them.. you get what you seed"

If Holsten wasn't so serious trying to spread misinformation this could be considered funny. The whole point of the visible BA group is to have 8vs8 fights. They don't join all relic raids as emain is avoid of albs at such times. Why would they run more than 8 if 8vs8 is their aim ? There are enough other ways to get easy rps, look at Battle Royale.

Ironically the above comes from someone who purposely ran with 16-slot in the Agramon days until "decent" RR (RR6/7/?). For the people with a short memory here's an introduction thread from Holsten himself aptly titled "DG, the evil 16+ slot gankers " (http://uthgard.net/index.php?option=com ... 32&t=13930) - the comments later on are more interesting than the actual starting post.