i am on purga panach ...

i spend much time in my uthgard chars and hope i will have the fun on uthgard that i had 2-3 months ago.. like now on pura ;(

hope you 'll be back soon.

Uthgard is life-like, purga isn't - thats the difference. Daoc isn't about instant rvr.. it's also about careful planning and execution. If you want instant killing go play ut or something. If you want to work outside the zerg or larger groups you need decend equipment and excellent playing skills... and a certain sense of dedication.

I cant stand instant rvr... it's like playing with a bunch of folks you don't know.. Also you get many that dont know how to play there chars.. to frustrating for me Still, maybe I'am taking rvr to serious from my times on live.. but I still expect my groupmates to know what they are doing

It's a shame that I cant get myself to level something up... too much stuff todo.. But I also dont want lame instant rvr. Could've stayed on live for that.

I cannot talk about live, never been there.

I can speak about Uthgard and about Purga, though. Meanwhile I found out that there is in fact a community on Purga. That there are helpful people, and that it is fun. It is different, but it is fun.

Yes, lots of l33t kewl d00ds there. Yes, people who do not have a clue how to play their class (me included) because of the fast levelling. But tell you what: at the moment I prefer learning the class (cleric in my case with level 50 necro mercenary and infiltrator twink, soon there will be sorcerer and cabalist as well) over painfully grinding xp. I am so fed up with my second char here being in the low 40s. I know how to level, I just dont have fun doing it anymore.

So expect me to be on Purga for a while now, while at the same time I will have my home here. I just love this server and most of the people on it. I am just fed up with xping.

Just a matter of what you want to do, not a matter of better and worse.

EDIT: typo

Uthgard has a slight different approach, the honor and fame you get at high level and RP is protected at all means. No newbie can reach you fast if you went trough all the hard work getting maxed in stats and with your best template.

On instant or near instant servers you run side by side with wanna-be-heros that are created in hours with no real experience. You can define yourself only by gather more RP than other player. On Uthgard its already sure when you come into endgame RvR you will have some time approved player around you. Also the names will not change from day to day since it takes time to get there.

At the moment there are discussions to power up our endgame RvR. Making it more addicting.

Edit: I think we can compare Instant RvR with playing Battlefield or Counterstrike in Team Mode. You select what you want to play and enter combat action. This was not the real idea behind DAoC. I want you to keep that in mind. DAoC is not Battlefield. There seems to be a trend in that direction but most "oldies" from live server dont like to see that happen.

Good post, blue.

I am not an oldschool DAoC player, I went through something even worse. Everquest. I agree to all your points on achievements and pride. But taking a step back it still is a game. It should be fun, every minute I play it. Thats what games are there for.

We are arguing about how to maintain the highest possible long term funlevel. At the moment - the shortest possible period of time - it is no fun for me anymore to kill another billion of the same old mobs (clickers and wyrms, wyrms and clickers) that I already killed. Only to make the numbers go from 44 to 50 as quickly as possible, and finally be able to play the game as I like it. Thats all.

So: without being able to deny any of your points I still dont agree. At least at the moment.

Knowing myself, I can safely bet that I will be back soon. =)

I say u get on Uthgard lvl 50 fast, very fast look at my savage lvl 40+ in played time of 20 hours .. it`s faster then on Purga u only have to know how!

u can get lvl 50 on Uthgard in played time 5 days on purga u get in 10 hours ok thats different, but a guy who`s new in daoc will take 2-3 days to get lvl 50 on Purga too.

And the guys who are nooby dont play on Purga, they play on Uthgard, because it is very nice to begin here

I begin here too, but when u get ur 2 or 3 lvl 50 char uthgard is getting boring allways the same enemys allways them same Ra´s same bugs same player in ur realm.

I am playing with the same people since i began here 1-2 years ago. And it`s boring, rvr sux here Mid Roxx all because we are playing since 1-2
years together and in hib or alb the people changing every month -.-

we can say:

Purga is nearly instant rvr not really but for people who are playing 3-4 days on purga it is instant rvr - but u will see u need a better armor Champion level ect. u dont need sc on uthgard the most people in rvr dont know the import things like: face a savage he does only dmg with posi styles, or dont run behind a cave shaman he got disease, make face on ur target be4 u cast cause u wont get any move action , ect, ect this are all things many people on Uthgard dont know - these points make the rvr a bit boring cause the most people on midgard knows these points, cause they are playning since a year.

my opinion - Malle/Liam/gildrion/Molenire/gurium/rorlik

!

i'm lucky enough to be old and be blessed with a bad memory
so after a few weeks i forgot most of it and all is new

so don't panic, in a few years you will be as happy as i am

just my 2 cents

monty

easy to say when u log in the realm that has bonus ... realm switcher!
try lvling with no bonus

Deutsch:

Meiner Meinung nach sollte jeder versuchen Englisch zu sprechen, wer es nicht kann sollte jedoch keines wegs ausgeschlossen werden. Sokrana ist zum Glück immer sehr freizügig mit Übersetzungen, freut mich, solche Leute versuchen das Projekt uthgart international zu halten. Jedoch geht es hier nicht darum.

Meine Meinung zu Purga kennen sicher einige, Purga ist RvR orientiert. Uthgart hingegen bietet eine große Levelzeit. Einen Charakter auf Purga in richtung 50 zu bringen ist ein Klacks, auf Uthgart muss man Zeit und "Liebe" in das Spiel investieren um dorthin zu gelangen. Während dieser Levelzeit erlernt man auch gegen Mobs schon die Grundangelegenheiten worauf es an kommt. Weiterhin stärkt man sich durch Gruppen, man lernt das man viele mobs mezzt und auf einen haut, man lernt wie man kämpft. Man geht ja auch nicht oben auf die Piste und fährt sofort hinunter, nein man beginnt mit kleinen Schritten an ungefährlicherin Bergen. Neben dieser Erfahrung kommt man zum ersten mal in Kontakt mit anderen Spielern, schließt sich zu Gilden zusammen und tauscht sich aus. Das alles führt zu viel Spass und sehr viel Erfahrung die bei einer kurzen level Zeit meiner Meinung nach verloren. Deswegen bin ich auch gegen irgendein Instant level. Die ersten Battlegrounds verstärken das wissen bevor man ins RvR gelassen wird, find ich auch sehr gut. Weiterhin hat man auf Uthgard ein geniales DF System, ja man kann Greykillern begegnen, aber das ist doch auch gut so, so lernt man den Kontakt zu guten Spielern wenn man noch klein ist, man bekommt auch mit wer einem vielleicht noch ein paar Tipps geben kann. So und nun bin ich am Punkt angelangt dass ich das alles übersetzten zu müssen, ich habe eigentlich nicht wirklich Lust dazu aber ich werde mal damit anfangen.

Vielleicht machts jemand in Französisch. Mein Franz is nicht wirklich gut...



English:

On my opinion everybody has to try to speak english, but nobody is supposed to excluded by don't speaking english(maybe he isn't able to do so?). I like that Sokrana translate the german texts very often, that keeps the project Uthgard international - Good job! But that's not the topic.

Some people know my opinion about Purga, Purga is oriented in RvR. Uthgart offers a large level time. To bring a character on Purga toward to 50 is very easy, on Uthgart you have to spend time and "love" into the game to become 50. While this level time you learn against Mobs or the basics in groups which are very important. You learn how to play in groups to mezz mobs, or to kill one mob after the other. You also don't go above on the runway and drives immediately down, you begin with small steps on undangerous mountains. Apart from this experience you also come for the first time into contact with other players, unite to guilds and exchanges themselves. All this leads too much fun and very much experience with short level a time in my opinion lost. Therefore I am also against any instant level. The first battlegrounds strengthens knows before you go in the RvR, I also like this system. Further you have the DF system on Uthgard, you can get greykilled, but that is nevertheless also well, like that you learn the contact to good players when you are still "low", you get also perhaps get Hinds from other good RvR Players. I did translated it! YES!

Maybe someone does it in frensh my frensh isn't quite good....


Francais:

Un person de vous faisez la translation s'il vous plaiz? ^^

translation:

francais allez hop je m'y colle plus ou moins même si ce n'est pas tres util je pense.

"sur uthgard tu apprends à connaitre ton perso et à jouer en groupe. ca te permet d'apprendre la base du game play sur des mobs (mezz, AL, ...)

sur uthgard il y a aussi le system de DF qui n'est pas present sur purga. evidement il est possible de se faire greykill mais en contrepartie ca te permet d'apprendre à jouer en rvr avec d'autres bons joueurs."

voilà en résumé...

but i think french translation is not really needed

I am not sure if the lerning effect vs mobs is that much. Its quite easy to kill them on uthgard. They dont make much damage and until high levels dont use spells. For most of the time you dont really need supporter. Due to the healadds they are sometimes even bad for the group .
It may sound harsh but you dont really learn the game while leveling on uthgard.

@Aliandrian: I dont aggree!

Fighting mobs from the beginning is the best way to learn your character, the world, the mobs the skills. You got the continuity. First alone you get to know the limits of your character. Then later in groups you learn how to cooperate. In group its easier, faster and not boooooring!

At least in Albion. If in Hib or Mid things work as you said, Aliandrian... I am happy that I am not from there!

We never played on high rate servers. As we see players there dont value their lvl 50 chars. Why would they, it was 3 seconds to make? And if you dont like it? Make a new one in an other 3 seconds...
On low rate servers first is to choose the character that is the closest to you. I was studying the skills and spells for 2 days.

Then lvl to 50, get the items you have chosen....

High rate is good for one thing. To try out characters, skills. Nothing else.


Aidan
Eternal Journey

the difference between mobs and rvr is simple, mobs are predictable, you know you can kill a yellow or orange mob, you know if he baff's after the first attack, he doesen't hide and attack you from behind, and if he does it's a wall bug and you know he's there the next time..., but i do agree that you learn to play your char and you lear to play in grp while killing mobs

but when you go with that grp in rvr it's learning all over again, you got the basics from fighting mobs but rvr is still another thing..

so a server where you level without the killing mob experience will give you a disadvantige, but experienced players won't feel that, just playing with other chars you do not know, and who could be very noobish if they started on such a server can make the difference..

just my 2 cents
monty

never played on purga, uthgard is difficult enough for me

UTH RULZ