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Postby Methusalem » May 04, 2011 21:28

i just notice this a short time ago, so i like to ask how choosed the dev stats or speeds ect. for df-drops as example.

in allakhazam is written that the stats of basalt/brimstone bows are like following:

HIB:
Basalt Bow of Bedlam (ALA) Dmg: 16.50 Dly: 5.40 Bonus: 35% Dexterity: 25 Cold Resist: 5% Matter Resist: 7% ALL Archery Skills: 2
Basalt Bow of Bedlam (UTH) Dmg: 16.50 Dly: 5.70 Bonus: 35% Dexterity: 19 Cold Resist: 6% Matter Resist: 6% ALL Archery Skills: 3 19 Quickness

Brimstone Longbow of Anarchy (ALA) Dmg: 16.50 Dly: 5.40 Bonus: 35% Dexterity: 27 Body Resist: 6% Heat Resist: 6% ALL Archery Skills: 2
Brimstone Longbow of Anarchy (UTH) Dmg: 16.50 Dly: 5.70 Bonus: 35% Dexterity: 18 Body Resist: 6% Heat Resist: 6% ALL Archery Skills: 2 18 Quickness

ALB:
Basalt Bow of Bedlam (ALA) .. is not listed
Basalt Bow of Bedlam (UTH) Dmg: 16.50 Dly: 5.70 Bonus: 35% Dexterity: 19 Cold Resist: 6% Matter Resist: 6% ALL Archery Skills: 3 19 Quickness

Brimstone Longbow of Anarchy (ALA) Dmg: 16.50 Dly: 5.40 Bonus: 35% Dexterity: 27 Body Resist: 6% Heat Resist: 6% ALL Archery Skills: 2
Brimstone Longbow of Anarchy (UTH) ..couldnt find one in markesearcher last days, but i guess its similar same as in hib

MID:
Basalt Bow of Bedlam (ALA) Dmg: 16.50 Dly: 5.30 Bonus: 35% Dexterity: 25 Cold Resist: 5% Matter Resist: 7% ALL Archery Skills: 2
Basalt Bow of Bedlam (UTH) Dmg: 16.50 Dly: 5.30 Bonus: 35% Dexterity: 19 Cold Resist: 6% Matter Resist: 6% ALL Archery Skills: 3 19 Quickness

Brimstone Longbow of Anarchy (ALA) .. is not listed


Presto wrote:Post by Presto » Fri Aug 29, 2008 12:36 am
The deed is done. From now on Highlords will carry Brimstone weapons while the Princess and the Princes will wield Basalt weapons. The change was made because the Basalt weapons are a little more powerful. Note that not every kill will reward you with a drop of a weapon.

Whilst I don’t want to say too much about the stats of the weapon it is noteworthy, that the bows have an additional delay of minimal 0.2. This should aid our distressed archers a little bit.
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Postby Rector » May 04, 2011 21:37

So Hibs get slower Bows but Mids dont? Hum...... :grumble: :angry:

Because Rangers need love and Hunters need nerf? Hm.. something is mixed up ;)

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Postby Austerim » May 04, 2011 21:58

They aren't custom stats, they're the old stats, and since this is a classic server, they are correct.
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Postby Methusalem » May 04, 2011 22:02

Austerim wrote:They aren't custom stats, they're the old stats, and since this is a classic server, they are correct.


ok, u know it why ? post a link plz
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Postby Ronian » May 04, 2011 22:44

With old he obvsiously means before the bow system overhaul...

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Postby Methusalem » May 04, 2011 23:30

Ronian wrote:With old he obvsiously means before the bow system overhaul...


:gaga: hmm, i didnt get the point. if this postet bows are ^new^ ones, why did they just increase alb/hib ?

was hunter that strong with bow in classic that they got ^nerved^?
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Postby Ronian » May 04, 2011 23:56

Methusalem wrote:
Ronian wrote:With old he obvsiously means before the bow system overhaul...


:gaga: hmm, i didnt get the point. if this postet bows are ^new^ ones, why did they just increase alb/hib ?

was hunter that strong with bow in classic that they got ^nerved^?


Because 5.3 is the old one for the Hunter class? Hunter always had the fastest bows. The new archery system is more like casting shots and dex increasings the castspeed like quickness does the job now for your attackspeed. So you can have a lot of dex but quickness is hard capped at 250.

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Postby Blue » May 05, 2011 01:02

Methusalem wrote:i just notice this a short time ago, so i like to ask how choosed the dev stats or speeds ect. for df-drops as example.

in allakhazam is written that the stats of basalt/brimstone bows are like following:

HIB:
Basalt Bow of Bedlam (ALA) Dmg: 16.50 Dly: 5.40 Bonus: 35% Dexterity: 25 Cold Resist: 5% Matter Resist: 7% ALL Archery Skills: 2
Basalt Bow of Bedlam (UTH) Dmg: 16.50 Dly: 5.70 Bonus: 35% Dexterity: 19 Cold Resist: 6% Matter Resist: 6% ALL Archery Skills: 3 19 Quickness

Brimstone Longbow of Anarchy (ALA) Dmg: 16.50 Dly: 5.40 Bonus: 35% Dexterity: 27 Body Resist: 6% Heat Resist: 6% ALL Archery Skills: 2
Brimstone Longbow of Anarchy (UTH) Dmg: 16.50 Dly: 5.70 Bonus: 35% Dexterity: 18 Body Resist: 6% Heat Resist: 6% ALL Archery Skills: 2 18 Quickness

my question is why our devs picked up custum-stats ?


You shouldn't rely on most current information as Uthgard is a classic server. The correct way would be to go into web.archive.org and lookup the right item like http://replay.web.archive.org/200701080 ... item=25579
The delay of 5.7 on Uthgard would be a bug.

Also Basalt and Brimstone items came late into the game and were only implemented to make DF a bit more attractive but got some procs/charges removed.
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Postby Austerim » May 05, 2011 01:49

That's 2007 though, not 2003.
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Postby Blue » May 05, 2011 02:02

Austerim wrote:That's 2007 though, not 2003.

Did you read my last sentence? It was related to uth. These items came late and we didnt want to implement them on first sight but with adjustments to procs/charges it was ok.

What you see in the 2007 link is to show that we didnt set the stats as we thought they should be but took original values. In most cases current stats of items on allakh dont matter for uthgard.
It's done when it's done. Thanks for your patience.
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"It is an inescapable law of nature that the amount of satisfaction one gains from achieving something
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Blue says, "you used macro tools or macro keyboard"
Pala says, "i am disabled. and i have a mechanic left hand that can be programed. its hard to play woith one hand"

[Appeal] Bxxxxxxxx: "why is RA first aid cann man i stealth use and not unstealth cann man ra if man use unstealth ?????????"
BannedUser: "i was not using automate game action my hand was fall on keyboard during i was sleep .... i was completly fall on keyboard ..."

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Postby Rector » May 05, 2011 09:52

Presto wrote:The deed is done. From now on Highlords will carry Brimstone weapons while the Princess and the Princes will wield Basalt weapons. The change was made because the Basalt weapons are a little more powerful. Note that not every kill will reward you with a drop of a weapon.

Whilst I don’t want to say too much about the stats of the weapon it is noteworthy, that the bows have an additional delay of minimal 0.2. This should aid our distressed archers a little bit.

http://uthgard.net/index.php?option=com ... +brimstone

Anyways, the Midgard bows were forgotten. So please give them also additional delay, or remove it from the others.

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Postby Methusalem » May 05, 2011 20:46

the following stuff where written in web.archive u told me to check, blue.

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Basalt Bow of Bedlam (Mid) Dmg: 16.50 Dly: 5.30 Bonus: 35% Composite Bow: 2 Dexterity: 18 Quickness: 15 Cold Resist: 5% Matter Resist: 7% Wt: 3.60
Dez 03 2005
Basalt Bow of Bedlam (Mid) Dmg: 16.50 Dly: 5.30 Bonus: 35% Dexterity: 25 Cold Resist: 5% Matter Resist: 7% ALL Archery Skills: 2 Wt: 3.60
Dez 16 2007

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Basalt Bow of Bedlam (Hib) Dmg: 16.50 Dly: 5.40 Bonus: 35% Recurve Bow: 2 Dexterity: 18 Quickness: 15 Cold Resist: 5% Matter Resist: 7% Wt: 0.00
Jan 15 2006
Basalt Bow of Bedlam (Hib) Dmg: 16.50 Dly: 5.40 Bonus: 35% Dexterity: 25 Cold Resist: 5% Matter Resist: 7% ALL Archery Skills: 2 Wt: 3.60
Feb 04 2009

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Brimstone Longbow of Anarchy Dmg: 16.50 Dly: 5.40 Bonus: 35% Dexterity: 18 Quickness: 18 Body Resist: 6% Heat Resist: 6% ALL Archery Skills: 2 Wt: 2.60
Mar 21 2008

this shows a Delay of 5.4 for hib/alb and 5.3 for mid sind this bows was implemented. only some stats changed
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Postby Methusalem » May 06, 2011 09:48

so whats missing to fix smth ? just a will and time ?
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Postby Blue » May 06, 2011 11:29

So you just want a fix of the delays?
It's done when it's done. Thanks for your patience.
Every bug gets fixed. Sooner or later.

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is related to how hard it is and easy things can only elicit a fleeting superficial sort of pleasure."


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Pala says, "i am disabled. and i have a mechanic left hand that can be programed. its hard to play woith one hand"

[Appeal] Bxxxxxxxx: "why is RA first aid cann man i stealth use and not unstealth cann man ra if man use unstealth ?????????"
BannedUser: "i was not using automate game action my hand was fall on keyboard during i was sleep .... i was completly fall on keyboard ..."

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Postby Methusalem » May 06, 2011 20:39

fix it, or raise the forgotten mid-bows to the delays of alb/hib.

u choose.like always :)
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