I was just writing a huge reply to address all the idiots as well as a few valid points that have been raised, but it seems that there is no point.

You are wrong about this Blue, you refuse to listen to reasonable objections and to top it all off you're actually telling people it's your way or the highway. So everyone that is in favor of NF should quit the server? Why didn't you put that in the OF/NF poll, hm?

I would very much like for you to get your wish, only for a day, just so you could see for yourself the depth of your folly.

Trishin wrote:As I said in a previous post: If you wan't things changed and to discuss with real arguments (not some fancy forum troll arguments) then take direct contact with me or someone else from the staff.

This is idiotic, and it's not the first time you said it. What's next? Only privately reported bugs get fixed?


Oh, and "Agramon is laggy" - ROFL. Pure gold.

Nymeros are you also this angry in real life?

wow chillax

@Nymeros

There is a huge difference between bugreports and suggestions/discussions regarding balance issues and custom implementations.

There isn't. Both should be public and transparent.

You should never give players the idea that something here can only be accomplished only through direct contact/friendship with the staff, and that's exactly what you've done several times now.

And "fancy forum troll arguments"? What, someone will TRICK you into believing his argument with some crazy forum troll magic? Come on, seriously.

Oswaldo wrote:Nymeros are you also this angry in real life?

wow chillax

Do you often resort to trivialization and verbal slight of hand when faced with an intellectually demanding topic? Would you say that you sometimes feel threatened by all that "grown-up" talk everyone else seems to effortlessly be able to participate in? Does life routinely feel "too complicated"?

I can help you with that you know, but you have to make the first step. Preferably into moving traffic.

holsten-knight wrote:
I never read a valid argument for NF, its all nonsense to me...

Ports. 'nuff said

Nymeros taking discussions into a forum where you aren't disturbed by 10 trolls trying to derail the topic has nothing to do with those being friends with the staff gets more things done. It's a simple matter of having a forum where a decent debate can evolve. I have yet to see that happen in the forums.

However when doing some "Q and A with Trishin" on IRC I have had very good discussions and talks with people without much trolling.

pweet wrote:I am here thanks to OF and I am not the only one.

I also came because of OF

Played since beta and quit live because of NF..
I think blue is right stating that the only thing many people argueing for NF wants is Agramon with an instant port system, which I'm actually not against, I kind of like Agramon but hate everything else about NF..
Imo, what really matters for me is having an RvR zone many players visit, where you can basicly go anytime and expect to have some INC both solo and grp RvR..
Atm, Emain fills that role for me pretty okay I guess, but it could be a lot better, I never experienced Agramon here but it seems to go against what the staff wants to do with the server..

Anyway the only thing that matters to me is having one zone where the action is always pretty high, spreading action between many zones will only lead to lots of boring roaming for inc etc..

Less roaming for fights -> More action/hour -> Better server imo..

Emain is Agramon.

Emain is Uthgard's level 50 BG.

Nymeros wrote:There isn't. Both should be public and transparent.

You should never give players the idea that something here can only be accomplished only through direct contact/friendship with the staff, and that's exactly what you've done several times now.

And "fancy forum troll arguments"? What, someone will TRICK you into believing his argument with some crazy forum troll magic? Come on, seriously.

Oswaldo wrote:Nymeros are you also this angry in real life?

wow chillax

Do you often resort to trivialization and verbal slight of hand when faced with an intellectually demanding topic? Would you say that you sometimes feel threatened by all that "grown-up" talk everyone else seems to effortlessly be able to participate in? Does life routinely feel "too complicated"?

I can help you with that you know, but you have to make the first step. Preferably into moving traffic.

wow you really have anger issues, relax its a game, a old game. just accept you wont get new frontiers, is it that hard? go play live if you want Nf that much.
no?

pweet wrote:I am here thanks to OF and I am not the only one.

I came here along with several friends after we found out they were implementing OF here.... and we all came here specifically because of that announcement after EA/Mythic canceled their plans for a true 'classic' server.


Nymeros - you should take up yoga or meditation or something else that helps to relax. Maybe take a break from the game to help gain some perspective. Your myopia concerning this subject has gone past the point where I consider your arguments or justifications for NF relevant.

Based upon some previous comments I am not the only one, apparently.

For easier reading, I'll minimize the idiocy. Literally.

Icharus wrote:I came here along with several friends after we found out they were implementing OF here.... and we all came here specifically because of that announcement after EA/Mythic canceled their plans for a true 'classic' server.


Nymeros - you should take up yoga or meditation or something else that helps to relax. Maybe take a break from the game to help gain some perspective. Your myopia concerning this subject has gone past the point where I consider your arguments or justifications for NF relevant.

Based upon some previous comments I am not the only one, apparently.

1.) What do I (or anyone else) care when and how you came here? This isn't a census, and if it was there are more of us here who came before OF.
2.) How do you know I'm not relaxed? Are you a doctor? A wizard? A wizard-doctor?
3.) As for my arguments and justifications, that's your right. I would very much like to be able to say the same for your arguments, but that's kinda hard since you HAVEN'T ACTUALLY PROVIDED ANY, choosing instead the lucrative career of a wizard-doctor.
4.) There's MORE of you who feel the same? Well gosh, that changes everything now, doesn't it? Could just one speak for the whole group then? You know, to minimize spam and such.

Oswaldo wrote:wow you really have anger issues, relax its a game, a old game. just accept you wont get new frontiers, is it that hard? go play live if you want Nf that much.
no?

Dear mods, please observe: THIS is where you should react, and warn this simpleton to stop trolling or ban him, and not wait until this escalates and then use it as an excuse to lock the topic, or enable the staff to use it as an excuse to encourage private talks.

Dear Oswaldo: No. Now tell me, do you often find yourself wishing that certain hard aspects of life just "go away"? Are you often unable to come to terms with certain unpleasant truths, wishing only to be "left alone"? Do you often rationalize your ignorance by projecting unpleasant characteristics on people that upset you? Please be honest with me. I can help you. Well, depending on where you live that is, because euthanasia is legal only in certain countries. I myself would prefer Belgium if that's okay with you. I just LOVE those waffles.

Trishin wrote:Nymeros taking discussions into a forum where you aren't disturbed by 10 trolls trying to derail the topic has nothing to do with those being friends with the staff gets more things done. It's a simple matter of having a forum where a decent debate can evolve. I have yet to see that happen in the forums.

However when doing some "Q and A with Trishin" on IRC I have had very good discussions and talks with people without much trolling.

Get some good moderators. Or just ignore the trolling posts. By behaving like this you're just giving trolls like the ones above exactly what they want - the power to affect (and end) a discussion.

Breeze wrote:

pweet wrote:I am here thanks to OF and I am not the only one.

I also came because of OF

Played since beta and quit live because of NF..
I think blue is right stating that the only thing many people argueing for NF wants is Agramon with an instant port system, which I'm actually not against, I kind of like Agramon but hate everything else about NF..
Imo, what really matters for me is having an RvR zone many players visit, where you can basicly go anytime and expect to have some INC both solo and grp RvR..
Atm, Emain fills that role for me pretty okay I guess, but it could be a lot better, I never experienced Agramon here but it seems to go against what the staff wants to do with the server..

Anyway the only thing that matters to me is having one zone where the action is always pretty high, spreading action between many zones will only lead to lots of boring roaming for inc etc..

Less roaming for fights -> More action/hour -> Better server imo..

None of us want NF just because it's NF. Fanaticism is mainly for OF fans. We want Agramon because it's BETTER. If anyone has any other idea and it proves superior to ours, I bet everyone who's pro-NF would still be for it. I know I would.

holsten-knight wrote:
I never read a valid argument for NF, its all nonsense to me...

you see where we are getting with this? nowhere.

nf keeps, towers, port systems, relic system, bonuses, siege materials, nice lvl spots, bridges with water,no more long ways just for hibs, water-bridges, 6 gates in agramon ( no more amg emain camping), working war map and much more was better

Blue wrote:Respect the fact that unmodified bugfree OF is superior to unmodified bugfree NF and that it works out better under low population circumstances. Other comparisons are not valid.

I'm out of these discussions for now as this will run circles over and over.

OT: Kinda funny taking your own opinion for a fact, calling other opinions invalid and then call it a discussion.

What you are correct in is that it is a pointless topic. There only a handful of people on this forum that make meaningful posts (I'm thinking Zarkor, Nymeros, Hedra, Jarysa etc) which the staff should take into account. Keyword being should because I've been here long enough to know hard it is to bend the staff's stance on things.

§2.7 Behavior towards the staff
A player has to show basic respect towards members of staff. Any insults or threats against members of staff will result in punishments. Misleading or lying to a member of staff will also result in punishments.

Nymeros wrote:

Trishin wrote:As I said in a previous post: If you wan't things changed and to discuss with real arguments (not some fancy forum troll arguments) then take direct contact with me or someone else from the staff.

This is idiotic, and it's not the first time you said it. What's next? Only privately reported bugs get fixed?

Nymeros wrote:Get some good moderators. Or just ignore the trolling posts. By behaving like this you're just giving trolls like the ones above exactly what they want - the power to affect (and end) a discussion.

IV. General behavior in the IRC and the forum

§4.3 Consequences of punishments in other community parts
Negative behavior of a player in one community part may effect the player in other community parts of Uthgard as well (forum, IRC, gameserver). This means for example that a negative behavior in the forum may have effects on the ingame account of the player as well.

Nymeros wrote:I was just writing a huge reply to address all the idiots

Nymeros wrote:For easier reading, I'll minimize the idiocy. Literally.

Apparently there is a plethora of idiots on these boards. Thanks for bringing that to my attention so I'll know not to try and have a reasonable discussion with other players now that I know they are all of sub-median intelligence.

Nymeros wrote:

Oswaldo wrote:Nymeros are you also this angry in real life?

wow chillax

Would you say that you sometimes feel threatened by all that "grown-up" talk everyone else seems to effortlessly be able to participate in?

I can help you with that you know, but you have to make the first step. Preferably into moving traffic.

Nymeros wrote: I can help you. Well, depending on where you live that is, because euthanasia is legal only in certain countries.

Nymeros seems to have an answer to the surplus of idiots. His version of 'The Final Solution' for anyone who disagrees with him, I suppose.


I would stop now if I were you Nymeros. You are probably treading dangerously close to the line with all the 'constructive criticism' you have deigned to bestow on all us idiots. While I appreciate your educating me on all matters NF, the manner in which you have chosen to do it is repugnant to me and has biased me as to the legitimacy of whatever you have to say.


Good day sir!