Yes, by many forum roleplayers (5 of them) on a server with ~800 steady people. None of them have a logical reason for implementing such restrictions other than "relic raids get ruined" which is untrue and "for the glory of my realm" (wtf???). As far as I can see there's a lot more people against such pointless measures and all of them have good arguments against it.

Lemonjelly wrote:Yes, by many forum roleplayers (5 of them) on a server with ~800 steady people.

Like you are the one of the 5 opposite examples of it?

I make a better argument than all 5 of them, that's for sure. And there's way more than 5 of us against it, if you'd take your sweet time to count. Do you really believe that half of this server's/forum's population are roleplayers ?

You dont have to be a roleplayer for demanding a xrealm timer. Seriously.
Beside of this, its not counterstrike its still a mmo<RPG>.

Blue wrote:You dont have to be a roleplayer for demanding a xrealm timer. Seriously.
Beside of this, its not counterstrike its still a mmo<RPG>.

This is still Uthgard, a single server where it would become impossible to switch between different chars on different realms to those who like to play char X or Y that happens to belong to another realm. Mythic solved this by providing multiple servers, Uthgard believes it's such a gamebreaking problem for no real reason and should kill the possiblity without any alternative?

Another step in the wrong direction.

If you can not do a relicraid in a way that other sides are kept out of it or in a way that you beat the other side anyway, don't start one and complain afterwards "it's all xrealming" when in fact it's your own fault for making such a failraid. Simple as that, almost all raids I've been in on Uth were started the day itself, without any real organisation. Back on live you could forget getting that many players together together for a raid urself, the only option to get that many players together without organisation was when your own relic was under attack and put a defensive call to arms out in alliance chats.

I love the flamming of Lemonjelly on every post
My idea was bonuses for underdog and not a timer.
Example:
I play alb and get 6 relics.My "all mighty realm"get overpopulated because of "easy mode" generated by relics.As it is overpopulated i go emain and get something like 20 albs vs 8mid/hib...Boring...
I choose to go on mid and play an alt.
Suddenly a Relic raid start on mid.
What should i do?
Stay here,on mid,or go back to my "all mighty realm" to keep my easy mode?
I know the answer of many players here.

That's were my idea of bonuses works:
-If i stay on mid,i increase population = decrease bonuses
-I reach back my Mighty Alb char = i increase mid bonuses

So any of my decisions will naturally balance the fight.

We can do anything against x realming infos untill Ts/Ventrilo exist.

If i play mid and can't go back to Alb because of timer i still can give infos by TS.Very precises infos because i will be in the zerg!

And finally,about RP players,there's no RP in choosing a Realm.What about a sport competition where players can move from a team to the other,depending on who is wining?Can you call it a GAME?

Problem is that general population doesn't correlate with RvR population.

Kaltess wrote:I love the flamming of Lemonjelly on every post
My idea was bonuses for underdog and not a timer.
Example:
I play alb and get 6 relics.My "all mighty realm"get overpopulated because of "easy mode" generated by relics.As it is overpopulated i go emain and get something like 20 albs vs 8mid/hib...Boring...
I choose to go on mid and play an alt.
Suddenly a Relic raid start on mid.
What should i do?
Stay here,on mid,or go back to my "all mighty realm" to keep my easy mode?
I know the answer of many players here.

Answer: don't care about relics because I don't roleplay, gonna go along doing whatever I had planned because relics don't impact my gameplay whatsoever. Relics don't make a realm overpopulated or easy mode, it's just the natural shift of balance which occurs every so often and has existed long before relics were even implemented on uthgard.

Don't you see that Xrealming isn't only about relics?
What about DF?
People prefer log on "DF realm" instead of going in RvR zone to get them back!

Blue wrote:I see the x-realming as a bug like everything else. It was not the case in classic times and Mythic clearly was against it. They wouldnt have implemented an 8 hour timer if they want that. What eclipsed said is correct, you are just spoiled by freeshards having no control over how you create accounts. I wish I had implemented that 5-7 years ago when DOL started, we wouldnt discuss this now.

Whatever, there is nothing you can do to actually stop it anyway it will just take more effort to crossrealm. Dynamic IP and a separate email for each account.

bawww wrote:So putting a timer will limit a lot of people from playing the game and somewhat enjoying it (I'm talking about any 5+ min timer), while not significantly helping the xrealming situation.

Guy's calm down!!

I think Runis made a great suggestion on implementing a timer that is only activated when a relickeep get's attacked!
The guy's that think that raids are ruined due to people logging on a different realm would be satisfied - and the people that doesn't crossrealm to ruin raids wouldn't be punished.

Of course you could still "spy" but this is also possible via IRC and other communication media.

Sonnenschein wrote:
Of course you could still "spy" but this is also possible via IRC and other communication media.

This can be solved by taking away the /who command, everyone in the frontier zones automaticly gets /anon or something
Dont believe in a system with a timer, to easy to abuse and better to do ingame changes to make xrealming harder and less usefull.

Its not fair to punish the whole community that actually wants to play more then 1/3 of the game bcs of 5-10 player xrealms some times at rr´s.

Having accounts on all 3 realms isnt bugg abuse as there isnt 3 uthgard servers, on live u had lots of servers so u could play the whole game.

With a realm timer of like 1-3 hours. You could play all realms, but youl have to wait a little between switching. If you frequently switch realms, that is your fault. One reason one would do this, is to check each realm to see how many is in RvR, and then choose the best choice. Now you would hope they would choose the realm with less in RvR to up the numbers in RvR. But i highly doubt that is why they check each realm. This is why often you can find one realm, during non peak hours have way more in OF and only a few enemys. Take your chance and choose a realm. During classic 1.69, there was no clustering, as it was interduced during 1.74, with an 8 hours timer. 6 months later during patch 1.78, this timer was reduced to 1 hour. And then 2 years later during patch 1.90, this timer was reduced again to 5 min, if im reading the patch correctly. Before all that, the game did not have cross realming, unless you payed for it with an another account, a non buffbot account. It was like this for years, before clustering was added. To this day you can now cross realm easier, because daoc on live has changed. It now has much less players and we are aiming to be classic. So if we want cross realming, we are aiming for patch 1.90, if we want cross realming every hours, we are aiming for 1.78, which isnt too bad.

A 1 hour timer would be enough time to prevent effective spying ... yes you can spy using IRC. But how effective is that, if a few are on the wrong realm to switch to defend or what ever the spying is for, and the spy would be stuck in the wrong realm then for an hour. But at least an hour isnt too long, and i think most would wait that, for changing realms to XP or play an alt. They shouldnt be changing realms every few min anyway. In any case, there will be crying about this, because people are spoiled with an arcade like version of daoc, which is not classic (1.90). Mythic can not go back to the way it was, because of crying. Unlike mythic, you own your server, while mythic cant as they have paying customers that demand easyer setup.

Eclipsed wrote:With a realm timer of like 1-3 hours. You could play all realms, but youl have to wait a little between switching. If you frequently switch realms, that is your fault.

Thats like someone punching you in the face and telling you it's your fault for standing there. While it is totally correct, it's also totally insane.

Eclipsed wrote: One reason one would do this, is to check each realm to see how many is in RvR, and then choose the best choice. Now you would hope they would choose the realm with less in RvR to up the numbers in RvR. But i highly doubt that is why they check each realm. This is why often you can find one realm, during non peak hours have way more in OF and only a few enemys. Take your chance and choose a realm.

Do you even play the game? Realm populations can be imbalanced anytime, which is CAUSED AND NOT HINDERED by people choosing one realm. During off peak hours it's usually the first/last group running that rules emain, which has absolutely NOTHING to do with crossrealming.

Eclipsed wrote: During classic 1.69, there was no clustering, as it was interduced during 1.74, with an 8 hours timer. 6 months later during patch 1.78, this timer was reduced to 1 hour. And then 2 years later during patch 1.90, this timer was reduced again to 5 min, if im reading the patch correctly. Before all that, the game did not have cross realming, unless you payed for it with an another account, a non buffbot account. It was like this for years, before clustering was added. To this day you can now cross realm easier, because daoc on live has changed. It now has much less players and we are aiming to be classic. So if we want cross realming, we are aiming for patch 1.90, if we want cross realming every hours, we are aiming for 1.78, which isnt too bad.

WTF do patchlevels have to do with crossrealming? Nothing forces you to adopt 1.90 to have no realm relog timer.

Eclipsed wrote:
A 1 hour timer would be enough time to prevent effective spying ... yes you can spy using IRC. But how effective is that, if a few are on the wrong realm to switch to defend or what ever the spying is for, and the spy would be stuck in the wrong realm then for an hour. But at least an hour isnt too long, and i think most would wait that, for changing realms to XP or play an alt.

Uhm, the main problem with spying is the information, and not a few people more on the defensive.

Eclipsed wrote:They shouldnt be changing realms every few min anyway. In any case, there will be crying about this, because people are spoiled with an arcade like version of daoc, which is not classic (1.90). Mythic can not go back to the way it was, because of crying. Unlike mythic, you own your server, while mythic cant as they have paying customers that demand easyer setup.

I'm pretty sure Mythics "owns" their servers.

Implementation would be not such a big issue but quite some efford and time needed. We could introduce master accounts where you assign your accounts to and are not allowed to have a second master account. This could be enforced with ban rules.

This discussion runs in senseless circles. The propability that such account management with xrealm timers will come sometime in future is high. Its a long time planned feature. You know the mills work slow on Uthgard but they work.

No further discussion required.

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