Lasastard wrote:I am simply offering a solution to the problem. Zerging is a mentality, and not a written rule. If you find that running around in the most populated RvR zone gets you flamed by players that do not share you 'honor code' (or whatever you want to call it), then the only consequence is to move to a different zone (since you are the one trying to enforce an unwritten rule). If other zergs share your mindset, then there should be no problem. But here is the kicker. As respectable group, you have little chance vs. zergs (assuming they are three times as many). As a zerg, you need the actual groups to get a decent RR, because there is nothing else for you to farm. So you end up going where the easy RPs are and keep complaining about getting flamed.

Totally generic argument argues totally everything.

ilcensore wrote:

Lemonjelly wrote:

Jarysa wrote:The horrible add policy of about EVERYONE (yes, adding of two opposing realms 8vs8 is adding and no, it does not usually make for fun fights) and ridiculous bugs/features (YOU ARE STRAFING IN COMBAT, NS heal, etc ...) have driven away 90% of decent DAoC players from Uthgard.

Look at how many new guilds start here and break up within a week after hitting 50. The two reasons mentioned above have been most important for everyone i know that has quit Uthgard, not some crap about battlegrounds.

I have no clue what is going on in the adders head: "hey, there's a new group that is prolly having trouble winning a fight against rr8+ groups dumping RAs like fat kids candy bars anyway, so LETS ADD THEM TO PIECES to make them leave the server!1!1111!" Great long term thinking.

Uthgards RvR population would double if Blue had a clue about PLAYING DAoC [he seems to be the only staff member competent with DOL tho, as Nayru is taking a year+ to do a weeks amount of work and everyone else is doing customer support/world build only] and people would stop playing like it was 02 and the server population could stand a 4 fg zerg.

+1

You are the only one who got the point

They both are in the 8v8 camp. Thats why.

It doesnt really wonder me why newcomers see no chance in endgame RvR and reroll BG chars over and over when I hear that.

ilcensore wrote:

Vashna wrote:

ilcensore wrote:I noticed that is impossible to have my rvr wishes satisfied: Mids are always running with 4-5 fg in the 8.30+ GMT+1, and everyone adds on other fights: i am having not fun playing DAoC anymore like that.

Did you realized when you played this char that you were ruining others fun like others are ruining your fun atm ?
It was impossible for 95% of the emain population to have their wishes satified at this time.

Now i hope you realize that everybody is playing the way they like and they really don't care about others. Now you play with the non adders and you're mad about adders, learn to play with it.

Dear Vashna. I wish u have at least 1 screenshot of me Adding With that char. If u have doubts with it just ask to stealth population, i hav eno problems, so start thinking or knowing before posting. Thanks.

offtopic :
I'm a pure solo stealther who played enough to tell who are the adders around and I assumes that you're an adder who rarely run solo.


Ontopic:
GM doesn't ban people because they say on IRC "TONIGHT RvR 8v8 in ALB MAP or MID MAP"
That was told by Trishin, in an older topic.

Artefact wrote:Ontopic:
GM doesn't ban people because they say on IRC "TONIGHT RvR 8v8 in ALB MAP or MID MAP"
That was told by Trishin, in an older topic.

Let me confirm that. As long as you are not arranging solo fights while others sitting idle around but play 8v8 its no problem. If you say monday evening, Odins Gate 8v8 action, its ok.

Blue wrote:It doesnt really wonder me why newcomers see no chance in endgame RvR and reroll BG chars over and over when I hear that.

Welcome to my world At some point I might gonna publish a picture book with a "best of add flame"
If you guys see daoc just as an esport 8vs8 then I'm sorry but wrong game. What we need is more casual zerg in emain, not another 1337 guild to rule them all and quit after 2 weeks

Go Odin's and don't complain about adds. But then you end up with 1k /h so you will come back emain and start complaining again, but now with 10k /h

Jarysa wrote:The horrible add policy of about EVERYONE (yes, adding of two opposing realms 8vs8 is adding and no, it does not usually make for fun fights) and ridiculous bugs/features (YOU ARE STRAFING IN COMBAT, NS heal, etc ...) have driven away 90% of decent DAoC players from Uthgard.

Look at how many new guilds start here and break up within a week after hitting 50. The two reasons mentioned above have been most important for everyone i know that has quit Uthgard, not some crap about battlegrounds.

I dont see many RvR Guilds comming here and then realise they are getting added and quit. It is more the other way around. Ppl start here go to RvR and see that they dont stand a chance vs high rr grps. So u r conclusion is wrong.

So relating to what Blue said, you're also able to say : Daily 8v8 fight in OG/HW.

Anyway, you all know that if 8v8 isn't in emain, emain will be dead, and another point is that only set (mostly guild) group will join it !
Then you will meet less grp, you will make less rp, cause we all know that even set group love the gimp pug to farm them 8v8 !
And then ?
You'll be running in a "8v8 zone" with 1 or 2 others groups so you'll come back in emain and QQ about add.

Indeed that's a senseless QQ. Because elitist always knew that pug feed them, and that we all knew that elitist want pugs to stay around when they suck a lot against others.


As proof, I remind that some elitist have already tried to establish OG/HW as a daily 8v8 zone, remind why it didn't work?
Because some got bored to get farm without finding some pug to feed them.


You will never be able to force people to not add you, and you all already know that GM will never support you in such deal.

To conclude, if emain is zergy, deal with or reroll or log out.

Just expect to be added in Emain, its the most frequently used area in OF.

I have no problem with "Daily 8v8 in Odins Gate". If you go to Emain don't QQ if players add. It could be their only chance to make some RP because they may be too weak for the same encounter alone. Its stupid to complain about adding in the middle of Emain.

Blue wrote:It doesnt really wonder me why newcomers see no chance in endgame RvR and reroll BG chars over and over when I hear that.

No, you have no clue what I am talking about.

No one gives a ****** whether low RR random groups add. It's the high RR wannabe groups that drive people away from the server with their interpretation of "fair" play.

Also I'm not talking about people that think DAoC is a glorified solo game and everything should be handed to them on a silver plate, but about people that start this server in a way that would work on any other DAoC server (with FRIENDS) and get driven off by completely flawed gameplay, horrendous balancing issues and the most pretentious community any DAoC server has ever seen. These are people that actually would RvR on Uthgard if it wasn't so flawed.

You have a tendency to cater to the whiny noobs, that will get owned by people that have a clue whatever you do to make it not so, instead of listening to the guys with actual DAoC experience. Imagine Blizzard balancing Starcraft like you manage your server. It would be a total failure. People that only ever played one char in one realm have no clue about balancing.

I.e. Roadri, a well known DAoC player with 10 times the live experience of your staff combined and the brain mid on Salisbury who organized a ****** of keep and relic takes, played with us for one evening to come to the conclusion that melee mechanics are so ****** (strafing in combat, OOV on stick, melee range on first hit) that he would not play on Uthgard.
Or Xalara a druid i played with on Lyonesse back in 03 or so, that said he won't play hib till at least old RAs because it is currently so underpowered it is hardly playable.

Those are people that actually would RvR here and not play DAoC for it's ****** PvE. (btw lotro is free to play now, dear pve enthusiastics)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n7VAhzPcZ-s

Jarysa wrote:played with us for one evening to come to the conclusion that melee mechanics are so [I am a little bunny and like flowers] (strafing in combat, OOV on stick, melee range on first hit)

You are free to report bugs you encounter. If you do not, dont waste your time mentioning it in side sentences. Like I said often before, I'm always happy to fix serious imbalancing bugs if they really are reproducable and not same on live.

Ah, come on. Those three things have been discussed here a thousand times. Don't pretend you have never heard of them.

Also I (and other people that have clue like ana) are not really motivated by reporting bugs and nothing happening for months.
Remember the champ debuffs?

Edit:
http://uthgard.net/index.php?option=com ... ng#p126893

posts von ana.

Blue wrote:

Jarysa wrote:played with us for one evening to come to the conclusion that melee mechanics are so [I am a little bunny and like flowers] (strafing in combat, OOV on stick, melee range on first hit)

You are free to report bugs you encounter. If you do not, dont waste your time mentioning it in side sentences. Like I said often before, I'm always happy to fix serious imbalancing bugs if they really are reproducable and not same on live.

Out of view is the only real bug here afaik (but a GODDAMN annoying one) due to the removal of the delay timer for melee classes when swinging or using a style. The fact that the delay got removed makes you able to have your target "out of view" while in fact you are facing it because the style goes off just that split second too fast for the server to react correctly to what the player is seeing.

This delay got removed because some players literally WHINED about the fact that they were failing to hit reactionary styles with slow weapons.

No bugreport has been made about this yet but it just can not be livelike.


I think it's quite easily testable since a very noticable difference is that you can not backup your styles anymore on your first hit. You will just fail the reactionary and swing right there and then, preparing your intended backupstyle after that if you do not cancel it.

Before this change it was possible to prepare a reactionary style backed up by a taunt for instance before you swung if you just hit those 2 buttons fast enough (within the delay time).

OMG the same old story. Emain is adder land, if you go there be ready for adds.

Bug are not really the discussed point here. Feel free to open a real bugreport about it.

Zarkor wrote:Out of view is the only real bug here afaik

No, the other two are obvious bugs, too.
Strafing in combat was VERY rare on live as tested by ana in the link i posted (for non germans: 0 strafing in combat messages on 492 attempts)
The melee range is also totally ******.