Eclipsed wrote:What we have here is that, many people have been spoiled by other shards and the freedom to cross realm easily. It did not come from live, as we know you could not without paying cash for it.

So did it come from live or didn't it?


You say it didn't and then in the same sentence turn around and say, "except that they did have cross realming, and used it to make money."


I was playing on both realm on a single server long before TOA launched. Cross realming was born on live, sorry.

x-realm timer 3+ hours is a very good idea

dont look only at relics, because we saw most rvr realm was mid in the last time with 4-5 fgs without relics

what about that give the realm 1-2% craft speed reduce for each relic they dot have
and the realm with the less players activ login a money gain in pvm

dont pusch that much zerging mids without relics with a rvr coin gain ^^

You had to buy another account and pay a monthly fee, on a alt, that is not a buffbot on live. But yet they interduced clustering, where you could now play multi realms, but after 8 hour timer. So cross realming was a possiblity on live, but it was not an offical feature. If cross realming was, they would not add a timer to clustering.

So how should we do it, add a timer, and then offer people a pass to by pass the timer, if you donate to the server, x amount each month. That would mimic live then. But would you do this every month. I dont think so, and im sure not many would waste an extra account on live, for xrealming, when they could have a bot.

Jarysa wrote: So why the [I am a little bunny and like flowers] are you surprised when the relic gets defended? It's not crossrealming but YOUR OWN INCOMPETENCE.

Is it incompetence that I have to go /anon in my own realm cause someone in my realm plays a mid , hib or alb knows we are forming a raid and they don't want to lose there relic? I believe in realm pride so did Mythic.

Pick a realm and stay with it.

Lemonjelly wrote:Can't wait to see the server population drop by half because people are waiting on timers.

A Big + for X-Realmtimers.

If some ppl dont like em and want to quit uthgard - let em go.

Lemonjelly wrote:Can't wait to see the server population drop by half because people are waiting on timers.

What a pitty...

Can't wait to see Uthgard server pop increase because mostly every casual player gets his 'old' daoc feeling back.

Just my 2 cents, happy discuss.

Regards.

Chrissi

So what if youre sharing your connection and you are doing hib rvr and someone else wanna xp his alb toon?

Xrealming isn't a problem imo.
The "xrealming" that i see here is more like: Oh no inc, too much hibs/mids/albs, lets log our albs/mids/hibs.
And thats kinda good for overall rvr action and really happens very rarely.

And if someone is on vacation in an other realm and he hears that the relics of his loved home realm will be attacked and then logs into his home realm. Well maybe not fair then, but thats a part of the so wanted realm spirit.

You want people playing only one realm and you don't get this by realm timers.

The idea of coin/xp bonus for low population realms seems way better to me and more livelike.

+1 Thalien
+1 Lemonjelly
+1 Jarysa

Runis wrote:And enemies should try to stop x-realming for relic raids (hibs and albs)

OMG!
Your midbuddies play other realms aswell.... can't tell how often I see: WTT Money from MID to ALB
It's all in your head - but well reality is what you make out of it.

A lot of relicraids just fail by other bugabuse like people putting rams infront of sideentrances

runis wrote:noone likes to play chess if the enemy has 3x more pieces

Come on... you were not QQing as Albion was underdog for several years and when savage, berserk and so on were bugged as hell giving midgard a big advantage... btw zerg and outnumbering your enemy is a part of the game and wanted on this server.

Runis wrote: (maybe staff should implement a mechanism to stop x-realming at least when there is a relic under attack / on the map)

Actually I like this idea cause it would be quite fair to all people that are crossrealming and not interested in Relicraids at all
Would be a good compromiss in my eyes.

C´mon ppl it is only game, we play it for fun. If you are nerd and need realize outside RL,i feel sorry about you
Want realmpride? Go to RP server.
I am not against xrealming BUT punish ppl who "spying" for opposite realm. If someone give info about relicraid (or whatever RvR),ban him with no mercy.
Problem is inside comunity,due Uthgard is free server. Solution: change comunity mind,or make Uthgard payed server
edit: IMHO you cannot force players stay on one realm.

Eclipsed wrote:You had to buy another account and pay a monthly fee, on a alt, that is not a buffbot on live. But yet they interduced clustering, where you could now play multi realms, but after 8 hour timer. So cross realming was a possiblity on live, but it was not an offical feature. If cross realming was, they would not add a timer to clustering.

That's why that timer is 5 minutes now, and that's why you can avoid it by end tasking. Crossrealming is an official feature. People used to (and still do) jump around to whichever realm had the relics.

Eclipsed wrote:So how should we do it, add a timer, and then offer people a pass to by pass the timer, if you donate to the server, x amount each month. That would mimic live then. But would you do this every month. I dont think so, and im sure not many would waste an extra account on live, for xrealming, when they could have a bot.

Yeah except any ammount of money you propose for a "second account" is not the double of 0.

I completely disaproove such timer

1- The point with relic raid is and has always been bullshit, 10 people rerolling doesn't make the big deal !

2- Money trade will be over

3- If you like a char on realm, like in my guild, someone love to play solo with Hunter, and he plays guild groupe on Warden, he will be ****** for every guild run if he had played solo before

4- If you were exping your twink on alb and then you exp grp split, you cannot go back to your main realm

5- You can't make new friend on other realm !

Only problem i have with x-realming is the arbitrary rule sets x-realms believe everyone should follow or is ok to do.

1. don't kill him/her is my friend/guildy from from mid/alb/hib
2. ok to switching realms during df change of hands, (could apply to keep and relic raids starts<never seen it here>)
3. ok to log on and spam someone who killed you or added to your fight that was in realm opposite of you.
4. Another is my alb/mid/hib guild is farming mob X please don't bother them if your in frontier or in df.
5. Or the ever present you killed me while xp'n x-realming tells.
6. please let this alb/hib/mid kill me is my friend/guildy and needs the rpees. even been asked let them kill me.....
7. Or the good ole fashion x-realming to complain of so and so is using X hack or that hack either in tells or broad or both.

Currently not much you can do about the rules above other than ignore them but you do take some risks in doing so
by being left out in rvr or pve groups for not following the said rules of the x-realmers.

whats a person to do?

My self i just ignore them and do my own thing let them do there own. what /ignore is for heh.

probably more i've seen just to tired lol

Replys of mythic did this and mythic did that are flawed arguments, mythic did a lot of things that had nothing to do with the gameplay but had everything to do with trying to make money, after all it's a business and the whole idea is to make money.
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Artefact wrote:I completely disaproove such timer

1- The point with relic raid is and has always been bullshit, 10 people rerolling doesn't make the big deal !

2- Money trade will be over

3- If you like a char on realm, like in my guild, someone love to play solo with Hunter, and he plays guild groupe on Warden, he will be [I am a little bunny and like flowers] for every guild run if he had played solo before

4- If you were exping your twink on alb and then you exp grp split, you cannot go back to your main realm

5- You can't make new friend on other realm !

1- Not true, Yes it can
2- Good make money like most others do
3- If a guild treats it's players like that find a better guild
4- Start another xp group easily done
5 - Makes sense get more friends then log on another realm and kill them.

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The arguments of not putting a timer in because it's can be easily circumvented is another flawed argument , the timer would be there to say this is the rule please abide by this rule, circumventing the timer is against the rules if caught then x,y,z will happen.

I see the x-realming as a bug like everything else. It was not the case in classic times and Mythic clearly was against it. They wouldnt have implemented an 8 hour timer if they want that. What eclipsed said is correct, you are just spoiled by freeshards having no control over how you create accounts. I wish I had implemented that 5-7 years ago when DOL started, we wouldnt discuss this now.

Wow how dumb. All this because a relic raid failed and some frustrated players blame it on xrealmers? Please I've been to enough relic raids to see that there maximum like 5-10ppl that change realm for a relic raid, that is ppl I rarely see in my realm. But then again I actually play this game unlike some other know-it-alls on this forum.
On top of that so chat on IRC is the only thing that's close to realming.

Another example of trying to revive/force daoc roleplaying which people have pretty much lost interest for years ago.

Maidrion wrote:Wow how dumb. All this because a relic raid failed and some frustrated players blame it on xrealmers?

No, this is a wish by many for several years. Staff already saw the need for it years before.