Too many Stones drop on Dragon Raids

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Postby MT-Pear » Mar 11, 2011 20:14

Insert the Encounter of SI, than every Realm would have a chance to get their S/C charges. As far as I remember, Mid have their S/C charge in the Classic Zone, Hib and Alb in SI. For me it would be ok if you remove the Taj Items for SI items :D

No, seriously, we have a leek of item variety, thats the reason why Taj is such interesting.

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Postby Celad » Mar 11, 2011 20:54

Blue wrote:
Celad wrote:Where is the "fix" in making custom changes?

Which one you refer?


Moving s/c charges on Legion lead to 2 custom changes:
- drop on a mob that don't have to drop it (for all three realms);
- uncommon item changed in a super rare item;

Moving s/c charges on a mob of the same level of the original SI ones (just for hib and alb) lead to just one custom change:
- drop on a mob that don't have to drop it (and only for two realms);

So i think we have a double custom choice here, while it could be easily less custom. As you yourself wrote you made it on purpose to FORCE people to raid Legion. The same way you do with respec stones, increase bp price to FORCE people to raid legion/dragon. Problem is that you can't FORCE someone who don't have the time to do something, so again: casuals are disadvantaged by a custom choice.

Moreover you wrote in this thread that staff is thinking about to make item to have throwaway charges. This would be custom again. Crafted buffs are livelike? No, so another custom choice. Maybe in your aims all this custom changes are to discourage people to roam fullbuffed or without all charges on, but what you will have is only a bigger difference between people who have time to play all day (they will always run fullbuffed and with charge on the same) and casuals players. Classic times were about people new to the game, so no tp, no buffs, random RvR groups. Not about the difficulty in purchasing good tp and items. Now we know the game and it's normal that people will do everything is possible to have good tp, items, ecc.
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Postby Sonnenschein » Mar 11, 2011 21:23

I like Celad's arguments...

On the one hand you say Tajendi must be removed for it is a custom change and on the other hand you want to implement custom changes that you like or already did implement customs already - even if for a good purpose.

If you want to be strict you must be in every way - or you cannot take *custom* as an argument.

Don't get me wrong. I don't have anything against custom stuff - I like Uthgard the way it is.
Some stuff is bugged and should be fixed of course - but custom doesnt mean it worse than daoc was the time you aim at.

I said in other thread long ago: Uthgard has the chance of being great for being DIFFERENT. Don't ruin it by excluding everything that might be custom when it could improve the experience of daoc for everyone. Mythic isn't god - they made mistakes also and we all know that.

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Postby Celad » Mar 12, 2011 11:40

Yes I agree.

I want to be clear on that point: i'm not against custom changes if they go in the balance direction, but if the staff use the "no custom" excuses regarding playerbase suggestions they are just kidding us because of the examples i wrote.

The main point is: what I see in this thread and in the changelog history is the will to make things like tp, charges, buffs harder to purchase because in this way staff think that casuals can be advantaged by more people doing RvR without a perfect equip. Instead in fact we know that people who know the game and can play 10+h/day will have anyway a perfect equip and so they will be again more advantaged because of a bigger gap with other players.

If casuals one year ago were people needing 5 months to have a 50 toon and a tp to do RvR, going in this direction casuals will never have the possibilities to run a good tp/equipment.
In fact doing this custom choice staff will just extend the pool of casuals setting an higher limit of minimum time needed to be competitive on this server. I wonder how they can't understand this.

This kind of choices will FORCE majority of (<-casuals) people to two possible consequences:
- if you are a smart and respectful player you will leave the server because obviously you can't spend 10+h/day of your precious life on a game just to be able to have some fun 2h/week, and you think that the second option is no fun;
- if you are a kid/lame player you will play enldess zerg trying to decrease the gap versus nerd players with perfect equip.

Obviously if you are a nerd you will continue to play here until you found a better game.
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Postby Chaapaai » Mar 14, 2011 21:49

no excitement please!

england is a member of our guild and i spoke with him immediately after publication of this thread.

he had no knowledge at this moment of the patchnotes and did not know that the drop rate should be increased.
he was surprised at the many items and wrote this posting. He discovered later that he has caused a big problem within :/

I'll talk to him so that he explained that statement...


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Postby Lintu » Mar 16, 2011 19:33

Just found and read the thread.

Those are really problems you have to talk about? Too many drops? Tajendi? Dragons are bored?

Think of that it needs quite some hours to raid Churiel (+Tear farming) for ONE drop for a whole group while raiding a dragon or Legion is possible with less than 2 groups and granting lots of drops, some masterpieces and lots of respec stones within.

And dragons aren't bored at all. Our Albion Community is working hard to make sure he dies at least twice a week, and I know that Hibernian is doing it at least once per week. Not sure about Midgard, haven't been there in ages.

Legion might have not died that often, but that will change too. Albions may have heard about the new upcoming Legion Raid Management.

So what's the point? People rather raid Tajendi than a dragon? It's all about community! Try to call out for a random dragonraid. Whats your chance to succeed? 5%? It's almost impossible without a working system. The community needs to work. If they don't do in Hib or Mid, how is it a problem with Tajendi? Why can Albion do it well then?
Yes I know Albs like Tajendi, too. Did I say anything against it? Still they don't avoid dragonraids though.

Just my 2 cents for that topic.



And the post of England.. Well might be that he was surprised about suddenly increased droprate as Chaapaai mentioned. BUT:
England wrote:At the Moment it is no fun leading a raid. Maybe i did it too often :D

Really? It's no fun anymore, because you can give out more drops to your community? Why did you become a leader? I respect the person you are and you are a nice guy, but I got to say something about this: Our staff for the Community Management is about helping the community. Indeed it's some work, but you moan about a very little more work for quite alot (well average 13 is way more than 8 IMO) more rewards for our beloved community? For me personally it looks like you don't work for the community, otherwise you'd be happy for them. Instead you selfishly moan about maybe 2 or 3 more minutes to work on 1-2 days a week? And about "Maybe i did it too often"... Yea sure. Some of us were in the staff for way longer time than you and we did not even have a bad thought at all about that.
At this point I want to repeat that I respect and like you as person. But I ask myself what your real reasoning about being a leader may be, if you talk like that about your community that you wanted to lead.
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Postby Lemonjelly » Mar 16, 2011 20:00

I disagree with you lintu. I think dragons are bored, they just sit in the same spot all day long doing nothing.

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Postby Lintu » Mar 16, 2011 20:07

Lemonjelly wrote:I disagree with you lintu. I think dragons are bored, they just sit in the same spot all day long doing nothing.


Well, that's what they're coded to :D I meant they get raided every now and then, it's not that they're useless or something.
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Postby Blue » Mar 16, 2011 20:42

Lemonjelly wrote:I disagree with you lintu. I think dragons are bored, they just sit in the same spot all day long doing nothing.

You remember me that this is left to change. They should fly and make a bit trouble.
It's done when it's done. Thanks for your patience.
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Postby Lemonjelly » Mar 16, 2011 20:54

Blue wrote:
Lemonjelly wrote:I disagree with you lintu. I think dragons are bored, they just sit in the same spot all day long doing nothing.

You remember me that this is left to change. They should fly and make a bit trouble.


Yes :D

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Postby Pelusilla » Mar 16, 2011 21:27

Long time on live they used to fly and fry people by all dartmoore randomly ( since they was introduced ) and was a lot of fun, i think i have some sshots from my old old days of that :D

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Postby Celad » Mar 16, 2011 22:05

Blue wrote:
Lemonjelly wrote:I disagree with you lintu. I think dragons are bored, they just sit in the same spot all day long doing nothing.

You remember me that this is left to change. They should fly and make a bit trouble.


Oh well, I began to think you were not able to read this topic anymore.
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Postby Sonnenschein » Mar 17, 2011 13:25

@Lintu:
I'm very proud to be a Member of Albion, since on this realm there is the best community indeed!
So many years now you guys do this for Albion and I bet a lot of people appreaciate this - at least I do!

It's a great work for the whole community you guys doing there!

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Postby Gorim » Mar 17, 2011 13:59

Blue wrote:
Lemonjelly wrote:I disagree with you lintu. I think dragons are bored, they just sit in the same spot all day long doing nothing.

You remember me that this is left to change. They should fly and make a bit trouble.


The ae mezz of the mid dragon is also missing... ;-) He only makes his ae stun with no resisttimer.

Maybe some others don't work right too but actually i didn't think that the raidhorde wanted to get a more challenging mob... :gaga:

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Postby England » Mar 18, 2011 04:44

i decid to say some more words in this posting. Generaly it works toraly in the wrong direction as it it often happen in forum post. I tried to be constructive.

In the time when i wrote this topic. I usualy spend 3.5 houres in organzising one dragon raid. It was a lot of work finding a second leader, anouncing the battle group, holding the raid, doing the auction and updating the scoreboard. Usualy 2 time a week.

During the half year of helping out in such a great player driven event my real life changed and the time i spare for the comunity changed as well.

That day i start the topic, it was just after an raid and i mentioned half an houre more time used. Maybe it was a bug cause the raid before the dragon doesnt drop a repsec stone. so the might be some work on the system. This i tried to anounce in the forum in an anger mood.

I want to pick out that lintu speeds up the update time for the points due to his new website and the staff that try to be helpful in giving out large numbers of items to the comunity. I guess this would help a lot in keeping such events going on.

thx for reading my intention for this topic an and keep on with the good work.
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