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Postby Zarkor » Mar 01, 2011 20:33

From the other topic:
Blue wrote:Its not crap, its not allowed to let the opponent win on purpose. This is called RP farming. Yesterday we banned a player 1 month for doing exactly this.

It very much is, because it's just making Uthgard even more lame. Say someone wants to suicide somewhere in an RvR zone and sees some lowbie running around and strips off his armor, sits down and beckons him to kill him. He could not have known this lowbie neither does he benefit in any rational way from him getting a load of rp and xp, the only thing he knows is that he's got no xp or con loss from his death AND he made that guy most likely very very happy.

No harm done whatsoever, in fact, both sides just became happy by playing the way they wanted to without doing anything wrong. That is why this rule is one giant load of crap in my opinion. It's simply lame and completely unnecessary.

I get the fact that you don't want people to RP farm, but suiciding to a random enemy IS NOT RP FARMING AND THUS USELESS TO FORBID (unless of course the intention is to screw people over for no reason..). Of course, when the same two sides do this more than once, it should be punished severely, but as long as they're random encounters it's just plain lameness to punish anyone for it.



Just my 2 cts.
In defense of truth-to-experience.

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Postby scythe111 » Mar 01, 2011 20:41

+1, but I think Blue was referring to repeat offenders.

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Postby Blue » Mar 01, 2011 21:28

I think GM's can well distinct whether someone is doing it on purpose repeatedly to spend RP. Especially remarkable is that RP farming is not made with one kill alone.
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Postby Jonah » Mar 01, 2011 22:54

Blue wrote:I think GM's can well distinct whether someone is doing it on purpose repeatedly to spend RP. Especially remarkable is that RP farming is not made with one kill alone.


So if i let a grey group kill me in DF once its ok but if its keep on happening its something bannable? Got it right?

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Postby Alpha Adept » Mar 01, 2011 22:55

If this arrangement was made from one realm to another, that concerns me that cross reaming is getting bad to have a open dialog. Its one thing for the cross realmers to report to the other realm on actions in raids or RVR thats bad enough by itself. Its another thing if you can comfortably to set up personal RVR setting between realms. Obviously cross realming has become more detail orientated then the current normal "Hibs starting relic raid!" in alb broad chat.

Cross realm timers need to be shuffled to the top of the list again with everything else that has to be fixed.

Call me old skewl but I liked it when back in the day you could surprise a realm about doing rvr. Warmap was nice. Its bad now that when you rush a relic there is 2 or 3 fg waiting for you. Not all the time, but it happens.

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Postby Sonnenschein » Mar 01, 2011 23:20

Well it's not about Crossrealming only.
This RP farming Stuff can also be done by People that only play 1 Realm.

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Postby Alpha Adept » Mar 01, 2011 23:37

Sonnenschein wrote:Well it's not about Crossrealming only.
This RP farming Stuff can also be done by People that only play 1 Realm.



How do you figure? Even a player only plays 1 realm and does not make a character on any other realm but his buddy does, and they set up RP farming. To me this is the same thing, you are crossrealming with another player to increase intel, rp, xp,bp, even if you, yourself don't have multiple realm accounts, your still crossrealming with your buddy.

In my guild your are kicked out if you crossrealm or run multiple accounts in another realm. Call it lame or even sad, but we are purest for our own realm. For us its Albs, Mids VS US, for everyone else its THEM VS There cousin or THEM VS there brothers mid guild or alb guild.

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Postby RonELuvv » Mar 04, 2011 17:51

Long story short, these many different lvl's of x-realming is a major issue. If I had a dollar for every time I've seen these "duel" set ups and realms assisting each other I would be rich. I usually dont report them, because I'm unsure of what actually constitutes xrealming. If a group of 5 albs comes up on one Mid tank and they just sit there and duel the mid 1 vs 1 and let the mid rest up between fights while rezzing the alb that died is that rp farming or xrealming, or is that just being nice to the 1 Mid and giving him a chance? I honestly dont know. I have also seen this similiar set up between say a 2 or 3 man group of Mids/Albs vs a 5-6 man group. I've also had a certain high RR tank (I wont say who to avoid "flaming") from Midland jump me while I was fighting a solo inf, kill me, then hug the inf, let the inf sit and rest unstealthed, then get up laugh at me, and walk away to restealth. Now this IS the definition of xrealming imo. This mid tank hates me because me and my buddy gang up on him all the time, but that is just cold. I have no problem w/ a person hopping in my 1 vs 1 fight and killing me, but kill the other as well if he's from an opposite realm. My #1 wish on this game would be if they could make it where you were only allowed to play 1 realm and 1 realm alone. Would make RvR so much better and would eliminate all the relic jumpers that go from one realm to the next depending on who has majority control of relics.

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Postby Nymeros » Mar 04, 2011 18:19

RonELuvv wrote: I've also had a certain high RR tank (I wont say who to avoid "flaming") from Midland jump me while I was fighting a solo inf, kill me, then hug the inf, let the inf sit and rest unstealthed, then get up laugh at me, and walk away to restealth. Now this IS the definition of xrealming imo.

That's not cross-realming.

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Postby pweet » Mar 04, 2011 18:33

Haha no need of name calling, everyone knows top cop of uthgard ;)

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Postby RonELuvv » Mar 04, 2011 19:05

Nymeros wrote:
RonELuvv wrote: I've also had a certain high RR tank (I wont say who to avoid "flaming") from Midland jump me while I was fighting a solo inf, kill me, then hug the inf, let the inf sit and rest unstealthed, then get up laugh at me, and walk away to restealth. Now this IS the definition of xrealming imo.

That's not cross-realming.



How is that not xrealming? If a mid helpping an alb kill me then let the alb stealther rest up unstealthed, hugged each other, laughed at me, then let the alb walk away untouched is not xrealming then what is? I may jump in on some fights w/ albs vs mids but if I kill one I try and kill the other. I've never hopped in mid vs alb solo fight and just killed one then hugged the other, laugh ,and let the other live. That is imo the definition of xrealming. I know why he did it, it was just to tick me off, but that is shady. Me and my NS buddy have killed this guy many times and he just hates me, but to aid a realm that is not your own to kill another realm is xrealming, especially if after killing the realm you ganged up on you dont go after each other, period...

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Postby Troham » Mar 04, 2011 20:19

the foe of my foe is my friend...

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Postby Gondlyr » Mar 04, 2011 22:49

Troham wrote:the foe of my foe is my friend...


Except when they are an Alb, they have always been kos for me. Even in the old days after I had made Albion my main realm for a while, back when Mythic had multiple servers. And I ended up hating most of my realm mates. So if I was a Mid and fighting a Hib, I would immediately attack the Alb if I saw one. And same if I was playing Hib.

Suicide, isn't that what keep guards are for? and the other realms teleporter keep? We make a game out of it and see who can touch the other realms teleporter keep door.

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Postby Nymeros » Mar 05, 2011 00:28

RonELuvv wrote:How is that not xrealming? If a mid helpping an alb kill me then let the alb stealther rest up unstealthed, hugged each other, laughed at me, then let the alb walk away untouched is not xrealming then what is? I may jump in on some fights w/ albs vs mids but if I kill one I try and kill the other. I've never hopped in mid vs alb solo fight and just killed one then hugged the other, laugh ,and let the other live. That is imo the definition of xrealming. I know why he did it, it was just to tick me off, but that is shady. Me and my NS buddy have killed this guy many times and he just hates me, but to aid a realm that is not your own to kill another realm is xrealming, especially if after killing the realm you ganged up on you dont go after each other, period...


That's not cross-realming, that's just some guy trying to make you QQ (and succeeding apparently).

No one has to kill anyone in RvR. I can dedicate my Alb character to helping out every Hib I see kill Mids if I want, and never attack a single Hib in my life.

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Postby Alpha Adept » Mar 05, 2011 01:36

Nymeros wrote:No one has to kill anyone in RvR. I can dedicate my Alb character to helping out every Hib I see kill Mids if I want, and never attack a single Hib in my life.


If you decide to play that way I will exploit you for standing around and kill you. I myself don't believe in a honor system of 1vs1 or no adds. This game is war based. If I see a opportunity to kill someone for letting someone else get away I will kill both of you if I can in order of ease. I'm not in emain or any BG's to hold hands and sing Kumbaya... If you let me go or choose not to kill me, I will find the next opportunity to kill you.

If you want to let a Hib go or Mid or Alb then your obliviously not playing in the right realm or your cross-realming with a friend, if that is what you like to do then you might as well get a group and head back to PVE with your realm because they are looking for someone to help them just like you.

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